monkeygirl Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 I think you guys seem to forget: (or perhaps this is what Red J was saying) The 3 guys DID pay $10 each They DID each get $1 back The bell hop DID keep $2 It's not as if it never happened, it did...then the change got screwed up 1st dan & Asst. Instructor TKD 2000-2003No matter the tune...if you can rock it, rock it hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnifinite Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Take out some bills and try it out. It works fine then. I just did it and put everything in piles. The men end up with $1 each in their hands. The bellhop has $2. The hotel has $25, which is split into $8.33 (give or take a fraction of a cent) per guy. The guys paid the hotel $27... the hotel has $25... the bellhop has the other $2... the $30 figure seems to be irrelevant. I guess 30-27=3 is just the wrong way of looking at it. 1st Dan HapkidoColored belts in Kempo and Jujitsu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G95champ Posted December 19, 2002 Author Share Posted December 19, 2002 Right Omnifinite See the trick to the question is when you assume each man paid 10.00 and got back one. That would mean 9x3 which is 27.00. If the bell hop only kept 2 there would be one dollar missing. You are all right but Red J was overlooking the question of 9x3 is 27. Which is the trick in the question because if you go with that line of logic there is a missing dollar as to if you subtract you can account for them. Just one of Math's little qurks. Thats why Im a history guy. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KU Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 It's all in the wording. Each man pays $10- total $30 Bell hop gives each man back $1. Therefor each man really pays $9 each- total $27 Bell hop takes $2 Now you are asked where the xtrea $1 went when you go $27 + $2 = $29, but that is actualy the wrong sum to be doing. The $2 (given to the bell hop) is part of the total ($27) paid by the men. eg $25 (room) + $2 (bell hop) = $27. The $3 differance between the initial $30 and the final $27 is the $3 that was given back to the three men by the bell hop. So $25 (room) + $2 (bell hop) + $3(refund)= $30. See theres no mathimatical trick its all in the wording, the question they ask you is actualy a fulse question that has nothing to do with it. I hope this maks sence I'm almost positive that it's right. - Only by contrast can we see.- Each for his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red J Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 Exactly. I think we've beat this one to death. I had to lose my mind to come to my senses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeygirl Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 yes it is whimpering for mercy.... However I do have one more thing to say: The reason why it's different between the methods of solving the problem is the Order of Operations. As we've seen, it makes a very large difference how you solve the problem, and obviously 9x3=27 is the wrong way to solve it. This happens with any math problem that works that way, and being stubborn isn't going to change the laws of math .....believe me, I've tried.... 1st dan & Asst. Instructor TKD 2000-2003No matter the tune...if you can rock it, rock it hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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