Kensai Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 (edited) I hate thoery based systems. Thats why I like: Shaolin 2000+ old, helped defeat the Armies of the mongols. Oh and undefeated in single combat challenges to Shaolin temple. Japanese Jujutsu 1000+ years old, SAMURAI! Does not get more practical than that! Aikijutsu 900+ Years old, SAMURAI! Ninjutsu No reason needed Aikido Japanese/UK/French and Dutch police. O Sensei Ueshiba. TKD General Choi and used in Korean Army Karate, Oyama, Funkoshi need I say more Judo Japanese police Hsing I, Tai Chi and Ba Gua, Taught to China's Republican Army No theory there old bean! Take Care. Edited November 20, 2002 by Kensai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeRo Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 willing people hay? is that why we grapple for 10 minutes every lesson, coz im really willing to get put in an arm bar.......almost to much fun for one man.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai_Kick Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 that was harsh. one thing to understand though is that alot of martial artists take classes for more than just "self defense". I agree 100%... But if you do learn self-defence it should NOT be based on theory! Limits Are Not Accepted. They Are Elbowed, Kicked And Punched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kensai Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 Read up Thai_Kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai_Kick Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 Shaolin 2000+ old, helped defeat the Armies of the mongols. Oh and undefeated in single combat challenges to Shaolin temple. - Let me guess they used Carne style or Snake style to defeat them right?Oh one more thing how many Kung fu schools train for war?Japanese Jujutsu 1000+ years old, SAMURAI! Does not get more practical than that! - Yes is does get more practical then that, how many modern day Samurai's do you know walk around with swords?Aikijutsu 900+ Years old, SAMURAI! - read above!Ninjutsu No reason needed - No, I believe I need one!Aikido Japanese/UK/French and Dutch police. O Sensei Ueshiba.- Oh yeah buddy, when I watch "COPS" or other live Police shows I always see Steven Segal style fights and techniques used by cops , do they use the techniques before or after they punch, kick, jump and arrest their man?TKD General Choi and used in Korean Army - So all TKD practitioners train TKD like they do in the Korean army?Karate, Oyama, Funkoshi need I say more - No, please say more!Judo Japanese police - read Aikido!Hsing I, Tai Chi and Ba Gua, Taught to China's Republican Army - Great, and in only 20 years they will be able to defend themselves! Sign me up! Limits Are Not Accepted. They Are Elbowed, Kicked And Punched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kensai Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 I cant be bothered, we all do rubbish styles I REALLY WISH I COULD DO MAUY THAI! All I told you is the truth, they are all proven styles. Expect what you will. May the Aiki guide you. Take Care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle-san Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 It seems to me Thai is being really closed-minded about any application that doesn't come from his style. Just an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kensai Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 Possibly Kyle-San. Take Care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai_Kick Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 Kensai, you may read my posts but you do not understand them and as a result you don't understand me. I look at martial arts in ring/street effective, proven techniques, no nonsense, modern training and thinking also I want facts not theory! I don't care for art, fancy techniques, kata's/forms, useless weapons and old training and thinking. This is why I don't care about Samurai's or what happened 2000 years ago, what does that have to do with modern times and modern martial artists? I don't think Muay Thai is the best art, but I believe it's one of the better ones for effective, no nonsense training and thinking for ring and street fights, the same can be said about Boxing, Pankration, JKD, Shootfighting... When I go to Muay Thai class I want to hit bags, spar, get punched and kicked and counter with a smile. When I'm in JKD I want to grapple and force my opponent to tap out. When I'm in Kali class I want to learn how to use a knife in a defensive and offensive manner, since a knife is the most common weapon on the streets. I'm not going to get any of this from Kung Fu, Karate, or TKD, and if I do, it won't be much since most of the time I'll be learning Kata's/forms, blocks, several stance, the use of a staff, kama, sai and other things that will not help in a real fight. Lets be HONEST in a real fight people, punch, kick, elbow, knee, headbutt, foot stomps, use soccer style kicks, use of guns, knifes and other stabbing weapons, this is what you see on the street. I am still waiting to see footage of aikido style throws or wrist locks, karate blocks, stances or weapons, TKD's fancy kicks, blocks, stances or someone using Crane style or Monkey style in a real fight. If you got a video/clip send it to me! PLEASE! Kensai... I understand you're into the art aspect of your style and you enjoy talking about it and embracing it and I respect that. I have always understood that from your posts. As for me I'm into styles that have ring/street effective, proven techniques that have modern training and thinking habits. I live in the year 2002, in a city full of guns, knifes and thugs, as a result my training needs to prepare me for that. We both have different views of the martial arts! Limits Are Not Accepted. They Are Elbowed, Kicked And Punched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red J Posted November 20, 2002 Share Posted November 20, 2002 Wow, I leave the screen for just a minute and I miss all the action! LOL Thai, the Chin Na that I have learned is basically the same as the JJ I have also been taught. There is no theory to prove behind a good arm bar, wrist lock, choke hold, arm manipulation, take down, neck control, leg lock, ankle break, etc. as you've probably seen many of them. These moves and holds, or slight variations of them, are universal to many systems. Many schools teach Chin Na or JJ without ever naming it as such, incorporating it into a self defence set. Anyway, this thread has really become interesting. I'm glad we are getting some mileage out of it. I had to lose my mind to come to my senses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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