Byakuren Kaikan

[Kagite]

Hello everyone,

My name is Stefano, I live in Japan but I'm actually from Italy.

I've started practicing here Byakuren Karate which is an interesting style in my humble opinion, so since I've noticed there's not a lot of information in English on the Web I made a Wikipedia page.

I'd like to share with you what I have done:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byakuren_Kaikan

Sadly, after a few days since its creation, it has already been proposed for deletion, even though I provided references and translated personally from original Japanese sources.

So if anyone of you knows more about this style or could provide support directly on Wikipedia I would greatly appreciate it. This is the discussion page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Byakuren_Kaikan

Thank you for your attention and I hope there will be more chances to know more martial arts styles in the future and no tendency to suppress those there are not yet well know as in this case.

[sensei8]

I'm still confused about why it's tagged for deletion! Looked fine, and complete, if complete is necessary.

Everything looks above board, but what do I know when it comes to websites and the like, and to me, Wikipedia falls under that umbrella for me. The unknown styles, like Byakuren Karate, suffer at those who administer sites, like Wikipedia.

Not all styles of the MA are on the front page! Not all styles of the MA can boast about its 350,000 plus student body and/or its international fame. Albeit, they're misjudged harshly by those of the MA world as well as the layperson.

Just what, exactly, does Wikipedia want from anyone to warmly received?

I feel for the frustration that Byakuren Karate, and its student body is experiencing. Hang in there, and fight for your rights!!

[JR 137]

Fight the good fight, and best of luck.

I wonder if it's for deletion due to the number of hits it gets or doesn't get? Maybe anything under a certain amount of hits (or people visiting the site) gets deleted. I'd imagine content costs money, and it's probably their way of keeping costs down. Purely speculation on my part though.

[sensei8]

It almost appears that Wikipedia, and the powers that be, are saying that Byakuren Karate doesn't exist. If so, what gives Wikipedia the right to be the police of everything in the world?!

[Kagite]

I had the same impression. It seems that because it's not as world wide spread as other schools it doesn't have the right to be advertised.

Well, it's not sure it's going to deleted 100%, but there's the risk as two users voted for it and it's really bothering I had to spend even more time showing proof that (since I'm practicing it) I EXIST and the style EXISTS.

One thing it's sure, though. Looking on the web material in languages other than Japanese drastically dropped in the last years. The Byakuren USA and Italy pages are down and discussions in forums of people practicing it are all at least 4 years old...

[sensei8]

Why Wikipedia? Then I suppose that one question asks...Why not Wikipedia??

[Kagite]

Well, I've done a lot of extra work adding new sources and references and it seems that now users and admins are talking more favorably about. There might be good chances that the page is gonna stay where it is!

Thanks for the support!

Anyway, could you guys tell me more about the styles you're practicing?

[sensei8]

Well, I've done a lot of extra work adding new sources and references and it seems that now users and admins are talking more favorably about. There might be good chances that the page is gonna stay where it is!

Thanks for the support!

Anyway, could you guys tell me more about the styles you're practicing?

Shindokan Saitou-ryu is an Okinawan style that incorporates 85% hands and 15% feet, and in that, all kicks are waist down. Shindokan is Tuite (Joint manipulation) and Tuite is Shindokan; that's the deep core of its methodology and ideology. Also, Kyusho jitsu (Pressure points) and Tegumi (Grappling/wrestling) are a big part of Shindokan. We don't block; we deflect! We don't back up; so Tai Sabaki (Footwork) is important to us because of the many directions that transitions can take. Shindokan is a get-in-your-face type of style, and that simply means to us, we strive to stay in close proximity of our opponent; in short, close range techniques!

Shin = Heart

Do = Way

Kan = House

The House of the Heart Way!!

Saitou-ryu = The Soke's (Founder) name; Fuyuhiko Saitou. Many styles of the MA use the name Shindokan, therefore, in order to identify our Shindokan, Soke added his sir name to it.

[Wastelander]

I'm glad things are looking up! I've had trouble putting things on Wikipedia, in the past, and have pretty much given up on it.

Anyway, could you guys tell me more about the styles you're practicing?

Shorin-Ryu Shorinkan is a pretty large system, as far as the number of practitioners worldwide. Our style originates from Chibana Chosin, but the Shorinkan, itself, was founded by Nakazato Shugoro, one of Chibana's senior students. We practice all of the kata that Chibana learned from Itosu Anko, except for Itosu's Passai Sho. Chibana learned the Passai that was passed down from Matsumura Sokon through the Tawada family, and Itosu told him to pass it on to his students, instead. We also practice the three Kihon Kata that Chibana created, the Fukyu no Kata and Gorin no Kata that Nakazato created, and Gojushiho, which Nakazato learned from his first teacher, before he became a student of Chibana.

[JR 137]

Seido Juku. There are several different karate organizations that have Seido in their name. The Seido I study is Tadashi Nakamura's Seido. Nakamura was Mas Oyama's top student and head instructor at Kyokushinkai-Kan honbu in Tokyo before he was sent to the USA to start Kyokushin here. He withdrew from Kyokushin in 1976, founding Seido Juku.

Seido is very similar to Kyokushin in syllabus at the kyu levels. Not as hard contact, and full free-sparring in protective gear doesn't start until 4th kyu.

The kata list is very much Kyokushin until nidan, where there's very little similarity in curriculum between us from there on. Nakamura is big on strategy in kumite and nailing down the basics and tai sabaki, whereas Kyokushin likes to spar early, and spar heavy. Seido isn't as circular in tai sabaki as Enshin and Ashihara, but isn't as straight forward and back as Kyokushin.

I've worked out with many Kyokushin karateka, and was in a system that was very Kyokushin influenced when I first started about 20 years ago.