sensei8 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Excuse my ignorance Bob, but what do you need a 500 lb bag for? That thing must be huge. I thought the point of bags were that they were roughly the width of a person?Believe me, your question isn't the first one I've received. Greg, our Kancho, asked that very same thing you just did of me. I understand the question, and I respect the question, from you, Greg, and anyone else who's asked.Why do I need a 500 pound bag for? Fair question! I need a bag of that magnitude to challenge me, and to satisfy me across the board. Sure, I've normal bags of all types, and I train with them equally in their context as well as in their content. The one thing that I understand are needs and wants; separate elements. I don't want the bag to fill some ego fueled desire, but I do need the bag to challenge me in every possible part of my MA training. That 500 bag will eventually surrender its fight to me; just like the ones before it has!!The 500 pound bag is 6' tall and 26" wide!! The many attributes that regular bags provide, the 500 pound bag adds the exclamation point to any reason(s) that one might have. Bags satisfy the need of contact; proportional penetration must be achieved. Bags will quickly reveal incorrect technique(s); injuries of various degrees are the results of incorrect technique(s), therefore, bags will develop correct technique(s). Bags will develop power and speed; these are the bottom lines of training with any bag.Over time, I've earned the respect from those MAists both in and out of the Shindokan circles that I've had the pleasure of training with concerning my power and speed. I say what I'm about to say not to brag and/or show off...I hit like a mule...and I've some uncanny speed.I can destroy a regular bag quite quickly. I can swing the heaviest bag and stop it dead in its track. I can cause a regular bag to nearly touch the ceiling with my kicks. I can fold a regular bag at will, and a regular bag also includes Biltuff's 350 pound bag. Bottom line...regular bags no longer satisfy and/or challenge my training needs; not anymore!!This 500 pound bag, for the moment, satisfies all of my training needs. If the MAists goal is to increase ones MA betterment, and I'm no different, than this 500 pound behemoth will help me become better. Better power...better speed...better proportional penetration...better technique understanding; these are important qualities I want to take to the next level.In time, that 500 pound bag won't satisfy and/or challenge my training needs anymore, and that time will happen, and when that time comes, I'll only have one thing to do...Buy the 1,000 pound bag, and OKFighters makes them as well!! **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcemanSK Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Of all of the bags that I've beat the tar out of, I must have the most densest bag known to man. Anything less, is unsatisfying for me; I hit like a mule!I've trained with the bag you're interested in, and I liked it, but it wasn't of the dense quality that I insist upon. Hopefully, you'll find the bag that serves your every MA need!! Which bag are you referring to?Kind of reminded me of the Right Guard commercials in the 80s - "Anything less would be uncivilized."Sorry, I'm slow...but I don't understand the question...trust me...it's me, NOT you!! I think he's asking what brand of bag is it that have that you like so much? Being a good fighter is One thing. Being a good person is Everything. Kevin "Superkick" McClinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR 137 Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 Of all of the bags that I've beat the tar out of, I must have the most densest bag known to man. Anything less, is unsatisfying for me; I hit like a mule!I've trained with the bag you're interested in, and I liked it, but it wasn't of the dense quality that I insist upon. Hopefully, you'll find the bag that serves your every MA need!! Which bag are you referring to?Kind of reminded me of the Right Guard commercials in the 80s - "Anything less would be uncivilized."Sorry, I'm slow...but I don't understand the question...trust me...it's me, NOT you!! I think he's asking what brand of bag is it that have that you like so much?I was asking which one he DIDN'T like so much. I think it was Outslayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Of all of the bags that I've beat the tar out of, I must have the most densest bag known to man. Anything less, is unsatisfying for me; I hit like a mule!I've trained with the bag you're interested in, and I liked it, but it wasn't of the dense quality that I insist upon. Hopefully, you'll find the bag that serves your every MA need!! Which bag are you referring to?Kind of reminded me of the Right Guard commercials in the 80s - "Anything less would be uncivilized."Sorry, I'm slow...but I don't understand the question...trust me...it's me, NOT you!! I think he's asking what brand of bag is it that have that you like so much?Aha...opps...sorry....I still messed it up...in that case, OKFighters is my favorite because it meets all of my training needs at the moment, and then some...OKFighters. **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Of all of the bags that I've beat the tar out of, I must have the most densest bag known to man. Anything less, is unsatisfying for me; I hit like a mule!I've trained with the bag you're interested in, and I liked it, but it wasn't of the dense quality that I insist upon. Hopefully, you'll find the bag that serves your every MA need!! Which bag are you referring to?Kind of reminded me of the Right Guard commercials in the 80s - "Anything less would be uncivilized."Sorry, I'm slow...but I don't understand the question...trust me...it's me, NOT you!! I think he's asking what brand of bag is it that have that you like so much?I was asking which one he DIDN'T like so much. I think it was Outslayer.Because of my training needs nowadays, I don't like any heavy bag, no matter whomever manufactured them, including Outslayer. Please don't misunderstand me, Outslayer and many others produce excellent heavy bags across the board, but OKFighters meets all of my current training needs with their 500 pound bag. **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWx Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Excuse my ignorance Bob, but what do you need a 500 lb bag for? That thing must be huge. I thought the point of bags were that they were roughly the width of a person?Believe me, your question isn't the first one I've received. Greg, our Kancho, asked that very same thing you just did of me. I understand the question, and I respect the question, from you, Greg, and anyone else who's asked.Why do I need a 500 pound bag for? Fair question! I need a bag of that magnitude to challenge me, and to satisfy me across the board. Sure, I've normal bags of all types, and I train with them equally in their context as well as in their content. The one thing that I understand are needs and wants; separate elements. I don't want the bag to fill some ego fueled desire, but I do need the bag to challenge me in every possible part of my MA training. That 500 bag will eventually surrender its fight to me; just like the ones before it has!!The 500 pound bag is 6' tall and 26" wide!! The many attributes that regular bags provide, the 500 pound bag adds the exclamation point to any reason(s) that one might have. Bags satisfy the need of contact; proportional penetration must be achieved. Bags will quickly reveal incorrect technique(s); injuries of various degrees are the results of incorrect technique(s), therefore, bags will develop correct technique(s). Bags will develop power and speed; these are the bottom lines of training with any bag.Over time, I've earned the respect from those MAists both in and out of the Shindokan circles that I've had the pleasure of training with concerning my power and speed. I say what I'm about to say not to brag and/or show off...I hit like a mule...and I've some uncanny speed.I can destroy a regular bag quite quickly. I can swing the heaviest bag and stop it dead in its track. I can cause a regular bag to nearly touch the ceiling with my kicks. I can fold a regular bag at will, and a regular bag also includes Biltuff's 350 pound bag. Bottom line...regular bags no longer satisfy and/or challenge my training needs; not anymore!!This 500 pound bag, for the moment, satisfies all of my training needs. If the MAists goal is to increase ones MA betterment, and I'm no different, than this 500 pound behemoth will help me become better. Better power...better speed...better proportional penetration...better technique understanding; these are important qualities I want to take to the next level.In time, that 500 pound bag won't satisfy and/or challenge my training needs anymore, and that time will happen, and when that time comes, I'll only have one thing to do...Buy the 1,000 pound bag, and OKFighters makes them as well!! Fair enough. Though what's it filled with? Could always take a regular bag and fill it with a concrete core j/k but in all seriousness surely there's got to be a way to make a regular bag heavier and denser. "Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it." ~ Confucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Excuse my ignorance Bob, but what do you need a 500 lb bag for? That thing must be huge. I thought the point of bags were that they were roughly the width of a person?Believe me, your question isn't the first one I've received. Greg, our Kancho, asked that very same thing you just did of me. I understand the question, and I respect the question, from you, Greg, and anyone else who's asked.Why do I need a 500 pound bag for? Fair question! I need a bag of that magnitude to challenge me, and to satisfy me across the board. Sure, I've normal bags of all types, and I train with them equally in their context as well as in their content. The one thing that I understand are needs and wants; separate elements. I don't want the bag to fill some ego fueled desire, but I do need the bag to challenge me in every possible part of my MA training. That 500 bag will eventually surrender its fight to me; just like the ones before it has!!The 500 pound bag is 6' tall and 26" wide!! The many attributes that regular bags provide, the 500 pound bag adds the exclamation point to any reason(s) that one might have. Bags satisfy the need of contact; proportional penetration must be achieved. Bags will quickly reveal incorrect technique(s); injuries of various degrees are the results of incorrect technique(s), therefore, bags will develop correct technique(s). Bags will develop power and speed; these are the bottom lines of training with any bag.Over time, I've earned the respect from those MAists both in and out of the Shindokan circles that I've had the pleasure of training with concerning my power and speed. I say what I'm about to say not to brag and/or show off...I hit like a mule...and I've some uncanny speed.I can destroy a regular bag quite quickly. I can swing the heaviest bag and stop it dead in its track. I can cause a regular bag to nearly touch the ceiling with my kicks. I can fold a regular bag at will, and a regular bag also includes Biltuff's 350 pound bag. Bottom line...regular bags no longer satisfy and/or challenge my training needs; not anymore!!This 500 pound bag, for the moment, satisfies all of my training needs. If the MAists goal is to increase ones MA betterment, and I'm no different, than this 500 pound behemoth will help me become better. Better power...better speed...better proportional penetration...better technique understanding; these are important qualities I want to take to the next level.In time, that 500 pound bag won't satisfy and/or challenge my training needs anymore, and that time will happen, and when that time comes, I'll only have one thing to do...Buy the 1,000 pound bag, and OKFighters makes them as well!! Fair enough. Though what's it filled with? Could always take a regular bag and fill it with a concrete core j/k but in all seriousness surely there's got to be a way to make a regular bag heavier and denser.LOL!!It's filled up with...WAIT...let it sink in...wait a little more...RAGS!! Yes, it's filled with ordinary rags. These rags are compressed in with some type of hydraulic press...over and over...until the desired weight is reached. The dense factor is achieved by the way they pack the darn thing. In my wildest days, I could NEVER fill a bag like they do; I'm not the Incredible Hulk...man, he could, but not me!!First time I hit this monster of a bag, and I mean I hit it with all of the gusto I could muster...I moved it, but not as much as I had hoped for. Then, it's like the bag kind of said to me..."That's what I'm talking about. Come on!!" but the bag had that evil look of, if that's the best you can do, you're in a world of hurt, and because you hit me, I'm going to hurt you, sucker!!I said...in time you will respect me. Until then, let's get it on...RIGHT NOW!!I was impressed with the density and what the future held...A PHENOMINAL BAG INDEED!! **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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