If you could make your own Art...

[chrissyp]

Enshin Karate crossed with boxing / with face shots.

[sensei8]

Enshin Karate crossed with boxing / with face shots.

I like that; an in-your-face methodology...has many possibilities. What about adding some wrestling/grappling, just in case??

[chrissyp]

Enshin Karate crossed with boxing / with face shots.

I like that; an in-your-face methodology...has many possibilities. What about adding some wrestling/grappling, just in case??

I've thought about that. From my understanding, the founder (whos name eludes me) did judo. If you ever watch the Sabaki challenge, they do lots of standing grappling, grabbing the gi. Which to me me is much more realistic then a lot of styles, as the gi jacket would simulate clothing you'd most likely wear in a real confrontation.

I chose Enshin for it's hard striking Kyokushin roots, but the emphasis of the use of Sabaki, which to me, makes it great for defense as you're not training to trade shots, but fight more with intellect.

The use of head punches/boxing is to fill in the holes of the rest of the striking game.

[sensei8]

Enshin Karate crossed with boxing / with face shots.

I like that; an in-your-face methodology...has many possibilities. What about adding some wrestling/grappling, just in case??

I've thought about that. From my understanding, the founder (whos name eludes me) did judo. If you ever watch the Sabaki challenge, they do lots of standing grappling, grabbing the gi. Which to me me is much more realistic then a lot of styles, as the gi jacket would simulate clothing you'd most likely wear in a real confrontation.

I chose Enshin for it's hard striking Kyokushin roots, but the emphasis of the use of Sabaki, which to me, makes it great for defense as you're not training to trade shots, but fight more with intellect.

The use of head punches/boxing is to fill in the holes of the rest of the striking game.

Solid post as well as solid reasons!!

Joko Ninomiya; he's the founder, and his lineage is with Mas Oyama, the founder of Kyokushin.

[JR 137]

Joko Ninomiya was no joke back in the day.

Sorry, couldn't help it.

Kyokushin and the like not throwing head/face punches is a common myth. They don't throw them in competition, which isn't 100% of Kyokushin.

From my understanding of Kyokushin, the reason head punches aren't allowed in competition is that during bare knuckle fighting, it's too easy to KO and injure your opponent and injure yourself.

A lot of Kyokushin schools nowadays will put on boxing-type gloves and head gear and train with head punches allowed.

I really like Enshin's circular movement (Sabaki), throws and locks. On paper and in videos it seems like a complete art. I don't have one anywhere near me to find out.

I wish Seido had throws. From what I've heard, my CI has a judoka friend come in every now and then to teach some stuff. The honbu has Judo seminars once or twice a year as well. hasn't happened in the 6 months or so I've been involved.

I'm not a big fan of ground fighting. I've got personal and coaching experience with wrestling, so I'm comfortable with defending myself from it. But on the ground grappling with an attacker is easily the last place I want to be. How do you run when you see your attackers buddies coming? How do you avoid them stomping on you? At least you've got a chance of getting away or picking something up when you're on your feet.

I think the best place to be in an SD situation is me on my feet, and my opponent on the ground. Throwing him there or knocking him down doesn't matter, so long as he's down.

[JR 137]

To be totally honest, I think boxing would probably be the most effective street SD. In all my years of bartending and frequenting bars that had a lot of fights inside and outside, I only saw a handful of fights go to the ground. And it was always a bigger guy grounding and pounding a smaller guy. And every time that happened, the guy on top got either a bottle or knee/foot to the back of the head or ribs. Punching fast and hard, and knowing how to move out of the way of haymakers will win 99% of the time IMO. Then again, adding MA hand/elbow strikes and knees/kicks can only help if done right.

I haven't frequented those establishments in 10 years or so, so maybe the bar fighting scene has changed. Highly doubt it's changed that much though.

[chrissyp]

To be totally honest, I think boxing would probably be the most effective street SD. In all my years of bartending and frequenting bars that had a lot of fights inside and outside, I only saw a handful of fights go to the ground. And it was always a bigger guy grounding and pounding a smaller guy. And every time that happened, the guy on top got either a bottle or knee/foot to the back of the head or ribs. Punching fast and hard, and knowing how to move out of the way of haymakers will win 99% of the time IMO. Then again, adding MA hand/elbow strikes and knees/kicks can only help if done right.

I haven't frequented those establishments in 10 years or so, so maybe the bar fighting scene has changed. Highly doubt it's changed that much though.

I tend to agree with that. The finness of GOOD boxing, is beautiful. 99% of street fighters are gonna throw hay makers to the the head or clinch up with you. Thats why I listen Enshin with boxing combined, as the gi would simulate someone tryinig to fight with you wearing a shirt or jacket.

I also agree about ground fighting. BJJ is GREAT for MMA or a true one on one street fight with nothing on the ground, but I wouldn't want to go to the ground for any reason unless absolutely nessesary.

Kicks are a double edge sword. I love them, I train them. Other then a quick teep, or some kind of kick to the knee or leg, I wouldn't use them in a street fight.

But also, my focus is ring fighting. And since i'm a ring fighter, wouldn't an Enshin fighter become predictable almost, if your opponent knows you're going to go for the blind spot constantly?

[JR 137]

The blind spot isn't a static/non-moving spot. From what I understand of it, it's that "defenseless pocket" that I think Bruce Lee called it. It's basically getting to the outside where they miss/overswing, haven't recovered yet, and you're free to blast away at their side.

I'm not an Enshin student, so take it with a grain of salt. That's my interpretation.