Thai_Kick Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 Emin Boztepe, what's up with this guy? Every martial arts magazine I read or flip through there is at lease one full, colourful, eye hurting advertisement with this guy selling video's, books or martial arts supplies. I'm sick of seeing this guy, Emin Boztepe is a Wing Tsun guy and he puts ads in Grappling and Muay Thai magazine! What's up with that? Shouldn't it be just in Kung Fu magazines? Anyways... I noticed he is selling a tape called "Wing Tsun Anti-grappling", but I'm sorry to say that the only way to use "Anti-grappling" is by using grappling techniques to counter grappling, which in turn doesn't make it "Anti-grappling" and I'm pretty sure that Wing Tsun doesn't cover how to stop a double/single leg takedown, clinch or shoot, so Emin Boztepe would have had to learn some grappling (Judo, Sambo, BJJ...) in order to incorporated it in his system, which again doesn't make it "Anti-grappling". What Emin Boztepe should have done was call his tape "Wing Tsun Defensive Grappling Techniques" Also; I don't understand why he is selling "WT - Street Defense" and "WT Self-defense for Women" on video? The last time I checked a punch to the face and a kick to the groin is all taught the same to males and females! If you're a Emin Boztepe fan then I'm sorry, but this guy really gets to me! If you have a commant about Emin Boztepe then please share, I really want to know what you think about him! Limits Are Not Accepted. They Are Elbowed, Kicked And Punched.
Kensai Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 For me he is a great "fighter". The style of Wing Chun that he studys is that taught by Sifu Ling Ting. Its pretty effective, I have seen tapes of him doing this "anti grappling" to me it just looks like kicking and punching on the ground. I respect him also for issueing a formal challenge to the Gracie family, which they have yet to reply. However, attacking Master Cheung (Traditional WT master) from behind, other than really stupid (attacking a master for goodness sake!) it is cowardly. I think he is trying to bring WT to the same level as MT and BJJ, in that it would be more of a "fighting" style rather than the spritual and non violent oringal purpose. Shame. Take Care.
Karateka_latino Posted November 2, 2002 Posted November 2, 2002 I've seen his ads in all magazines and also the Willian Cheung thing.. and all i say is.... He's a Wing Chun stylist trying to play tough. Not the best attitude.
Punchdrunk Posted November 3, 2002 Posted November 3, 2002 Kensai, could you clarify your opinion? You confused me a little bit. I don't know any particulars about the attack on the sifu from behind but it sounds interesting, if lurid. As to the Gracie challenge, there seems to be agreat deal of debate about whether they replied or not. After all their fights in Pride, UFC, Vale Tudo, and challenge matches against all sizes, shapes, styles, and nationalities, it's pretty hard for me to swallow that any of the Gracies would be afraid to take on this guy. Helio challenged Joe Louis back in the '40's and "the Brown Bomber" never took him up on it. Was he scared? I doubt it. He probably wasn't even aware of it. If he was, he probably didn't know what jiu-jitsu was but he knew there wasn't any money in it. Same thing here. Boztepe challenging the Gracies is a nat challenging a battleship. One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive.
Kensai Posted November 3, 2002 Posted November 3, 2002 I have seen the video of the attack. Personally it looked very soppy and the only thing that Emin looked like he was trained in was rugby. lol. Sifu Cheung got Emin in head lock and started to poke his eyes out. Then Sifu let go, then Emin came in again, knocked Sifu to the floor, (not though skill, but because it was a shiny wooden floor, just polished) then the police were called and Emin did a runner. Nothing to be proud of. I dunno about the Gracies but the challenge is on his website, but it would be an interesting fight. Take Care.
Punchdrunk Posted November 3, 2002 Posted November 3, 2002 Thanks Kensai, always interesting. Do you know any of the backstory on this "duel"? As for the challenge on his website, he might want to push it alittle bit hard than an e-mail if he wants something to happen. P>S> Kensai, I recently won my first jiu-jitsu match. Whoo-hoo. One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive.
Kensai Posted November 3, 2002 Posted November 3, 2002 Congratulations on your match, alas there is no competition in Aikido so I cant win any lol. The back story is actually suprisingly childish, Master Ling Ting, was doing a seminar, somewhere cant remember where and some of Master Cheungs students were there. Ling Ting ask them to try and get though his guard, and one of the students managed to slap him in the face. Now some how this got Ling Ting to send Emin to defeat Master Cheung at a seminar in Germany. Thats about it really. Very sad that Ling Ting had to do that, you would have thought he would have been more mature. About Emin and Gracies, the only reason he has challenged them is to stop the Gracies knocking other styles. Not sure that it has really helped, all I know is that I would love to be in the front row of that fight. Take care.
Punchdrunk Posted November 3, 2002 Posted November 3, 2002 Geez Kensai, That's pretty pathetic behavior by those sifus. Nice to see the Gracie's don't have a corner on the arrogance market. However, all Boztep has to do is enter one of the MMA style tournemants that the Gracies frequent. I don't want to hear any spurious crap about how he can't eye gouge and bite in those matches. If his whole style can be undone by losing a couple techniques that anyone can easily reciprocate then I don't think much of his system. I have to say that has been one of the best parts of competing in kickboxing and grappling this year - meeting the teachers and students from other schools and befriending them, particularly the one's you compete against. That's the way it is supposed to work. You compete with each other, you learn from each other, you respect each other more. I think I saw some competitors leaving an aikido competition once. All of them were either in traction or their wrists were broken. Except this one old guy who was around five feet tall with long white hair, legs like tree trunks and the nicest smile I think he beat everyone but he denied ever competing May be I just got hit too hard sparring One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive.
Kensai Posted November 3, 2002 Posted November 3, 2002 It tends to be that way. The one you least expect is the one that is the best. I am hoping to go to some Martial Arts Seminars at some point, although Aikido has no competition (other than Tomiki style, but we dont talk about that....... lol), I just love talking to people who know MA about MA, whatever the style. I think a WC practioner would stand as good a chance as any in a UFC, but thats for another thread. What do you train in punch drunk? Take Care
Punchdrunk Posted November 3, 2002 Posted November 3, 2002 Hoped you enjoyed the oblique "O Sensei" reference. I train Shidokan (Bareknuckle Karate, Thai Kick Boxing, Grappling) I also do some boxing sparring and roll BJJ at least once a week. I still find time to adhere to my intense high fat / no cardio program whenever possible. Hey this is the second recent reference to Tomiki on this forum. What the heck is it and how does it work? One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive.
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