albeaver Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Does anyone else do their open-hand kata with weapons? Or use their weapon kata with a different weapon? I think it helps understand the kata better, since you have to think about what you are trying to do. Personally I have dont Tokimine with sia and tuifa. I do Seisan with sai, tuifa, swords, and kama. I also have done Kusanku with tuifa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Oh most certainly! I've done all my kata with all my weapons at one time or the other..which can be pretty interesting sometimes! lol If you don't want to stand behind our troops, please..feel free to stand in front of them.Student since January 1975---4th Dan, retired due to non-martial arts related injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbourgman Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Jitte or Jitte No bo can go either way. I want to learn that next with a bo. WildBourgMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastelander Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I have, in the past, run through my empty hand kata with weapons. It's an interesting exercise, and can be fun to do. Personally, I think tonfa, sai, tekko, and hanbo work best from an application standpoint, because you can pretty much just use all of your empty hand techniques with them and they enhance the techniques. Kama can work, too, but their angled blade kind of change things. Nunchaku can also work, but your strikes change drastically. I have found that longer, two-handed weapons, like bo, jo, eku, and nunti, don't really fit the empty hand kata as well. All that said, the same concepts can be used. Kishimoto-Di | 2014-Present | Sensei: Ulf KarlssonShorin-Ryu/Shinkoten Karate | 2010-Present: Yondan, Renshi | Sensei: Richard Poage (RIP), Jeff Allred (RIP)Shuri-Ryu | 2006-2010: Sankyu | Sensei: Joey Johnston, Joe Walker (RIP)Judo | 2007-2010: Gokyu | Sensei: Joe Walker (RIP), Ramon Rivera (RIP), Adrian RiveraIllinois Practical Karate | International Neoclassical Karate Kobudo Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I've taken each and every Kata taught in Shindokan and added the following Kobudo weapons to them, more for fun, than a requirement:BoNunchakuSaiKamaTonfaThe weapons seem to fit well in the Kata's!! All my Dai-Soke told me once when I showed him..."OK!!", then walked away. I interpreted it that he wasn't to happy/pleased...he acted as though I committed a sacrilege!! He once barked at me when I took a Bo and started moving it around like a nunchaku.Well, it's my journey, I told him, and then I shrugged my shoulders to him!! **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathal Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Its a creative endeavour to test and experiment your techniques. It can be a great deal of fun! .The best victory is when the opponent surrendersof its own accord before there are any actualhostilities...It is best to win without fighting.- Sun-tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wado Heretic Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 A few times; though the only effective overlaps I have found were with Sai, and Tonfa, otherwise there are too few analogues with the other weapons to truly perform the kata in a way authentic to the original. I find one has to change the stances too much, and of course the way of generating power, and then one has to acknowledge the different dangers one is confronting with a weapon. It is fun, but personally I prefer the kata dedicated to weapons. Why reinvent the wheel after all. I have found useful overlaps with Tanto and Kubaton, but otherwise I generally stick to unarmed, and weapon kata as separate. As said though, it's ones own journey; but in my opinion its barking up the wrong tree past an entertaining side-road when one is in need of some quick inspiration. R. Keith Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupin1 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 We do that. Usually our first weapons kata is a version of our first kata (an Isshinryu-ized version of Fukyugata Ichi) with a short stick. Later in black belt we study the Isshinryu weapons forms, which include a sai version of Kusanku. I believe there's also a tonfa version of Wansu somewhere in the mysterious upper reaches of our curriculum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathal Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've taken each and every Kata taught in Shindokan and added the following Kobudo weapons to them, more for fun, than a requirement:BoNunchakuSaiKamaTonfaOne of my favourite things is to play with the kata and kihon to see what works and what doesn't with each weapon. You get a better feel for each of them and how they move, how they can move, and how they can adapt.my journey.Its a journey to be certain! The discovery, the new adaptations, and creative ways to express. Gets the blood pumping. It also helps me to understand and appreciate the empty-hand techniques a bit better, too. .The best victory is when the opponent surrendersof its own accord before there are any actualhostilities...It is best to win without fighting.- Sun-tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spodo Komodo Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I have done a few Wado kata with sai, just to get the feel of them. For such a thing to be successful the kata has to fit the weapon - since sai are mainly striking/blocking weapons this works well with some karate kata. However an open hand kata done with sai has to be a compromise, you can't train the locking/pulling/throwing aspects of open hand and you can't train the hooking/pinning/distracting aspects of the sai.As a gateway to leaning a good weapon kata though, go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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