Full contact styles that aren't of kyokushin heritage?

[chrissyp]

Just out of curiosity, are there any karate styles that are full contact, but not of kyokushin leniage?

[Wastelander]

Not in any sort of wide-spread way, like Kyokushin and its derivatives. Goju-Ryu does have iri kumi (close fighting), which is very much like knockdown, but most of the videos I have seen labeled "iri kumi" don't look like it, so I gather it isn't really common in Goju-Ryu. Some Shorin-Ryu and Uechi-Ryu people do it, but again, it isn't common. That kind of sparring just isn't as much an integral part of any other style. It's really what Kyokushin was made for.

[Mark B]

I think we need to dispense with the idea of "style".

We then need to understand what we mean by "sparring".

My dojo is focused only on karate for the aim of self protection , this enables our training to have specific and tailored training methods.

"Sparring " is always scenario based. We do wear headguards and MMA type gloves but kumite is at full contact.

In the regular dojo sparring is confused. Many dojo claim to practice karate for "the street" , yet kumite is always at kicking range , with the in - out dynamic seen in sporting bouts.

Kumite should be an extension of the training drills practiced in 2 person exercises, the aim being not to "win" , but to learn and appreciate the speed and unpredictability, and therefore develop the capabilites demonstrated in more sterile drills , but with the added spice of not knowing what's coming AND with the knowledge that you WILL get hit - hard !!

This should be the aim of kumite if sport based arts are not the aim - and certainly in my opinion if you're "street orientated" and not engaging in short kumite sets at decent impact then you are leaving yourself sorely under prepared !!

[cheesefrysamurai]

kumite is a big part of okinawan goju ryu. I think it's irikumi go.

Just today I fought- lots of fun! We spar with pretty significant power to the body. It's an exercise in conditioning as well.

It's pretty much knock down sparring. My Sensei talks about the 3 k's of karate, Kihon, kumite, and kata.

[chrissyp]

kumite is a big part of okinawan goju ryu. I think it's irikumi go.

Just today I fought- lots of fun! We spar with pretty significant power to the body. It's an exercise in conditioning as well.

It's pretty much knock down sparring. My Sensei talks about the 3 k's of karate, Kihon, kumite, and kata.

Goju Ryu seems like a great style! I love what i've seen of it. You can definatlly see how it influence kyokushin!

[armanox]

Just out of curiosity, are there any karate styles that are full contact, but not of kyokushin leniage?

Boils down to more per school then it does per style really.

[armanox]

I think we need to dispense with the idea of "style".

We then need to understand what we mean by "sparring".

My dojo is focused only on karate for the aim of self protection , this enables our training to have specific and tailored training methods.

"Sparring " is always scenario based. We do wear headguards and MMA type gloves but kumite is at full contact.

In the regular dojo sparring is confused. Many dojo claim to practice karate for "the street" , yet kumite is always at kicking range , with the in - out dynamic seen in sporting bouts.

Kumite should be an extension of the training drills practiced in 2 person exercises, the aim being not to "win" , but to learn and appreciate the speed and unpredictability, and therefore develop the capabilites demonstrated in more sterile drills , but with the added spice of not knowing what's coming AND with the knowledge that you WILL get hit - hard !!

This should be the aim of kumite if sport based arts are not the aim - and certainly in my opinion if you're "street orientated" and not engaging in short kumite sets at decent impact then you are leaving yourself sorely under prepared !!

Kumite is a wide term covering many different kinds of sparring.

Types of Kumite

Ippon kumite - one step sparring, typically used for self-defense drills

Sanbon kumite - three step sparring, typically used to develop speed, strength, and technique

Kiso kumite - structured sparring drawn from a kata

Jiyu kumite - free sparring

It's not until you get to Jiyu Kumite that you get full contanct, knockdown, and point sparring in the mix. We practice a lot of the first three at my dojo, Jiyu not so much (most students are over the age of 50, many over 60, so it doesn't go over as well).