mal103 Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 I learnt in a Dojo that had just Bassai Dai for most of the time whilst a Brown belt but have since moved to having lots more now I run my own club. I'm not associated to anyone but have adopted a lot from the group that I now train with, including some of their syllabus and the Kata order.Just wanted to know where this order sits with other Shotokan schools, I researched a lot of big associations and found them to be as below but I've just had another look about and it seems several clubs have extended their training Kata so that by the time you work through the 5 Heian/Pinan's and Tekki 1 then you get to 1st Kyu and Bassai Dai.So... (apologies for spelling)Taikyoko/Kihon Kata for 10th kyuHeian/Pinan 1-5 for 9th to 5th kyuTekki/Nihanchu 1 for 4th KyuBassai Dai for 3rd Kyu Brown beltHangetsu for 2nd Kyu Brown + 1Jion/Empi for1st Kyu Brown +2As they spend longer at 1st Kyu they are also expected to have a working knowledge of Kanku Dai for when they grade to BlackbeltIf any Black belts train with me then I would expect them to know all of the above.The last for are often referred to as Brown belt Kata, what about your system?
quinteros1963 Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 9th-Taikiko sho8th-Heian sho7th-Heian ni6th-Heian san5th-Heian yon4th-Heian go3rd-Tekki sho2nd-Bassai dai1st -Bassai daiBB -Bassai dai/Kanku dai/Jion/Jitte or Empi (Choice of) The past is no more; the future is yet to come. Nothing exist except for the here and now. Our grand business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance, but to do what's clearly is clearly at hand...Lets continue to train!
Kanku65 Posted December 15, 2014 Posted December 15, 2014 In my present ISKF region, to grade for black belt we must know...White-Blue:All 5 HeianPurple:Tekki ShodanBrown:Bassai DaiJi'OnKanku DaiEmpi To search for the old is to understand the new.The old, the new, this is a matter of time.In all things man must have a clear mind. The Way: Who will pass it on straight and well?- Master Funakoshi
wagnerk Posted December 16, 2014 Posted December 16, 2014 Not sure if it's still the same (as I've switched arts/styles a while ago), but this is what is was as I graded:10th kyu: Taikyoku Shodan (half Kata) 9th kyu: Taikyoku Shodan (Full kata, from now on all kata's are full) 8th kyu: Heian Shodan (Peaceful Mind Level 1) 7th kyu: Heian Nidan (Peaceful Mind Level 2) 6th kyu: Heian Sandan (peaceful Mind Level 3) 5th kyu: Heian Yodan (Peaceful Mind Level 4) 4th kyu: Heian Godan (Peaceful Mind Level 5) 3rd kyu: Tekki Shodan (Horse Riding level 1) 2nd kyu: Bassai Dai (To Storm a Fortress) 1st Kyu: Kanku Dai (To view the Sky) 1st Dan: Enpi (Flying Swallow), Jion (From the temple of Jion), Jitte(Ten Hands), Ji'in(Temple Grounds), Wankan(A Proper Name) Time wise, it was 3 month between each grading up to 3rd Kyu, then every 6 months, with the grading to Shodan "averaging" about a year (after 1st kyu). However few did it within 6-9 months of passing their 1st kyu, others took years... (I use the term "averaging" loosely).-Ken Tang Soo Do: 3rd Dan '18Shotokan Karate: 2nd Dan '04
mal103 Posted December 16, 2014 Author Posted December 16, 2014 Thank you for your time in replying For those that have a choice of Kata for Black belt (Jion, Empi, Kanku-Dai etc) are you expected to know all of the Kata and choose your best one, or do you only have to know one?
Harkon72 Posted December 16, 2014 Posted December 16, 2014 I did shotokan karate to 2nd kyu. I did:Kihon Kata 1,2.3.4.Heian Kata 1,2,3,4,5.Tekki ShodanTekki NidanBassai DaiKanku DaiIn the grading, you could be asked to perform any of the above until the examiner was satisfied. Look to the far mountain and see all.
Kanku65 Posted December 17, 2014 Posted December 17, 2014 For shodan grading we get to choose one of the 4 brown belt kata, but the instructor may chose any of the above kata to be executed after we've demonstrated our choice. The most common choices by the instructor are tekki shodan or one of the 5 heians. however, it is not unheard of for one of the advanced katas to be called by the instructor. To search for the old is to understand the new.The old, the new, this is a matter of time.In all things man must have a clear mind. The Way: Who will pass it on straight and well?- Master Funakoshi
wagnerk Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 For us, we had to chose a favourite one but we also had to know the others as the examiner could call out 1 or all of the others as part of the grading. Tang Soo Do: 3rd Dan '18Shotokan Karate: 2nd Dan '04
bassaiguy Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 In my Shotokan branch by shodan we expect our students to know:Taikyoku 1-3Heian 1-5Tekki 1-3Bassai-daiKanku-daiEmpiJion or HangetsuStudents are expected to be able to perform all of the listed kata, but focus on one or two to demonstrate bunkai.By brown belt students may not know Tekki 2 & 3, Jion or Hangetsu, but the others are expected.After shodan the sky is the limit, but honestly, who can really master 26 kata? "Honour, not honours." ~ Sir Richard Francis Burtonhttp://oronokarate.weebly.com
student_karateka Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 I learnt in a Dojo that had just Bassai Dai for most of the time whilst a Brown belt but have since moved to having lots more now I run my own club. I'm not associated to anyone but have adopted a lot from the group that I now train with, including some of their syllabus and the Kata order.Just wanted to know where this order sits with other Shotokan schools, I researched a lot of big associations and found them to be as below but I've just had another look about and it seems several clubs have extended their training Kata so that by the time you work through the 5 Heian/Pinan's and Tekki 1 then you get to 1st Kyu and Bassai Dai.So... (apologies for spelling)Taikyoko/Kihon Kata for 10th kyuHeian/Pinan 1-5 for 9th to 5th kyuTekki/Nihanchu 1 for 4th KyuBassai Dai for 3rd Kyu Brown beltHangetsu for 2nd Kyu Brown + 1Jion/Empi for1st Kyu Brown +2As they spend longer at 1st Kyu they are also expected to have a working knowledge of Kanku Dai for when they grade to BlackbeltIf any Black belts train with me then I would expect them to know all of the above.The last for are often referred to as Brown belt Kata, what about your system?I train in the Ko Sutemi Seiei Kan style of karate which is relatively younger than Shotokan but in many respects very similar to Shotokan (which I went to yonkyu in in the 90s). Here are the kata requirements:1st kyu: I'm actually not sure what the names of these katas are; one of the three is a weapons form involving the Sai. There are 3.2nd kyu: Bassai Dai, Enpi, and Sushi no kun sho (a bo kata)3rd kyu: Sanchen, Nohai (the blind man's kata), and an in-house kata they call nunchuku ichi which is the weapons form for this rank4th kyu: Pinan Godan, Seisan, and an in-house kata they call bo ichi which is the weapons form for this rank5th kyu: Pinan Sandan and Yon6th kyu: Pinan Shodan and Nidan7th kyu: Fukyugata ichi and ni.8th kyu=white belt in our systemIn our system a 1st kyu brown belt is expected to know all of the above which by my count is 18 kata in all. train hard!
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