TKD Forms; a running comparison

[126barnes]

We do the same on the 3 and 6 attacker during the 3 shot combo. Power shot for the first creating space by driving back the attacker then fiollowing up with two shots as fast as possible.

[bushido_man96]

Thanks for the insight, and the videos, Luther. I do recall hearing of SBD, and I guess when I hear Moo Duk Kwan, that is the branch it is affiliated with, correct?

Also, in the video of the form, I noticed he slid quite a bit with his techniques. But, the way he did his form, with the exhalation on technique execution, is very similar to how we do our forms. We don't have quite as long a pause between techniques, but his may have been for demonstration purposes, too.

[bushido_man96]

Here is TSD form #3, Kicho Sam Bu (Kicho 3):

ITSDF version:

20 moves again, along the same floor pattern. This time, we get sitting or middle stances with long punches, and a back stance. The back stance is different from my experience doing it, as we put the front foot flat on the floor.

[Luther unleashed]

Here is TSD form #3, Kicho Sam Bu (Kicho 3):

ITSDF version:

20 moves again, along the same floor pattern. This time, we get sitting or middle stances with long punches, and a back stance. The back stance is different from my experience doing it, as we put the front foot flat on the floor.

Yes, so to the previous post Soo Bahk Do is branched from MDK. As I said we were tang Soo do, when an instructor came to visit from the same system they wore MDK patches. Perhaps this is why although I learned tang Soo do, there is a strong connection to Soo Bahk do in my style. Some, as the video you posted here do not have those similarities.

In all honesty I have never seen so many knee taps and pauses so I have to assume the video is of a form typically used in a demo, because it lacks the speed usually seen in TSD FORMS. I am referring to the way he performs kichu sam bu, not the form itself.

As to the back stance. I have practice a tkd back stance as well being as that I started in tkd years ago so I understand your meaning. If I may offer a quick break down...

Teakwondo back stance is usually more evenly weighted on each foot, although more weight on rear, I was originally taught 60% should be on rear, and 40% on front leg.

Tang Soo Do stance is a bit of a closer stance, in which I was originally taught 90% should be on the rear leg and only 10% on the front. The feet make an "L" on the floor. This stance closely resembles a karate/Kung fu "cat" stance. The main difference is that the feet do not make an "L" as the rear foot is about 90% turned in, so the hips move as well making the stance more frontal.

[DWx]

Tang Soo Do stance is a bit of a closer stance, in which I was originally taught 90% should be on the rear leg and only 10% on the front. The feet make an "L" on the floor. This stance closely resembles a karate/Kung fu "cat" stance. The main difference is that the feet do not make an "L" as the rear foot is about 90% turned in, so the hips move as well making the stance more frontal.

This sounds like dwitbal sogi or rear foot stance from TKD. The "little cousin" of L-stance.

[bushido_man96]

I learned back stance weight distribution as 70%/30% back to front leg, and the front foot approximately three foot lengths from the back foot, in an L shape. We also do a "rear stance" or "cat stance," where the front foot is one and a half foot lengths from the rear foot, and the front foot is up on the toes.

I'm not sure that the "knee slapping" is supposed to be taking place. In the book I have, it just states to "raise the knee" before stepping, nothing about slapping the other knee. Perhaps someone showed him this, and he kept doing it. I don't like it.

[bushido_man96]

Here is the 4th form, I believe, Pyong Ahn Chodan:

ITSDF:

Looks like 22 moves, and comes from Heian Shodan:

I noticed the difference in the knife hand middle blocks in Heian Shodan, and they are done as low blocks in the TSD forms. Another noticeable difference in all three here is in how move number 4, the hammer fist, is done. Some have a longer hitch, some exaggerate the circular chambering motion. But the simlilarities are striking.

[Luther unleashed]

Here is the 4th form, I believe, Pyong Ahn Chodan:

ITSDF:

Looks like 22 moves, and comes from Heian Shodan:

I noticed the difference in the knife hand middle blocks in Heian Shodan, and they are done as low blocks in the TSD forms. Another noticeable difference in all three here is in how move number 4, the hammer fist, is done. Some have a longer hitch, some exaggerate the circular chambering motion. But the simlilarities are striking.

Yes I always appreciate the similarity between the two styles, as The TSD forms obviously came from the shotokan forms. In my version of TSD there is much more "flow" as I call it, it's less rigid and less robotic. Almost like it's a softer version. If you don't mind I'll post mine for a reference as well as I believe mine, although a little more fluid than many practitioners, has a more realistic rhythm of how it is supposed to look. I don't mean to say it as if I'm judging the practitioner that you have chosen as an example, but I'm just saying it's a very interesting way of performing the form.

Also to your post previously about the knee tap,I have never seen the knee tap performed at almost every movement, however, In TSD The knee tap represents a few different techniques, in most forms we perform it once or twice and that is it. It represents a counter or defense against a lead leg sweep, it also represents a counter from a lead leg sweep in that the practitioner should go directly from their own knee to the opponents knee. There is no knee tap in my system for this form however. Knee tap for myself is only prior to back stance and never front stance.

Me performing pyung ahn cho dan

http://youtu.be/sQxMMTr_6yo

This is an example of what I think is the more common way it is performed, as I said mine has a lot of hip movement which is not the most common system, the practitioner you are using as an example as an awful lot of very slow and large robotic looking steps. I believe this to be most common here. As I typed in the form name this was one of the first ones to come up.

[bushido_man96]

Luther, please feel free to share your videos of forms here. I love to see the differences. I appreciate the input, as I'm just going from what I see here, as I haven't studied these forms exclusively.

[bushido_man96]

TSD Form 5, Pyong Ahn E Dan:

ITSDF:

I think I counted around 28 moves. To me, this form screams out "Won Hyo Hyung:"

ITF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34UbIpwIWYQ

And its Shotokan counterpart, Heian Nidan: