Borzoi Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Student to Teacher. There is a long standing conviction that there "are no bad students just bad teacher". What often is the salient point missed in this bit of wisdom is that at one time the teacher was a student himself/herself. The question I ask is, at what point is the student responsible in understanding if they are being taught from a teacher who is legitimate in his/hers claims to their backgrounds in any given martial traditions. For example , if a individual is claiming to teach authentic Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu ( i,e trained and certificated in Japan ), when in the students training does it become a responsible for the student to comprehend if that individuals is truly a legitimate teacher of Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu ? In the same manner as a individual who claims to teach traditional Japanese or Okinawan Karate , but for some reason all the kata taught by this teacher are not found in any recognized Karate Ryu , style, organization, or not even known in Okinawa or Japan. At what point does the student have to take responsibility in understanding fully what they are being, taught and its history, valid or not valid. Is the student being taught authentic Japanese swordsmanship, or is the teacher presenting something pulled from video tapes and books? At some point in time the student will become a teacher or present themselves as a expert in a given discipline , so are they to become a victim of a fraud , or should they take reasonability for their own life and conduct their own research in determining if what they are being taught is accurate in the claims about their teacher's training background? ken allgeier " The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war " - Chinese Proverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G95champ Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Old High School Football saying in West Virginia Players WIN and Coaches Loose.... Sort of the same thing you are talking about. The Great Vince Lombardi said something to the effect you cant teach those who dont want to learn and those who want to learn do need to be taught. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bretty101 Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 A student turns up and pays his money. If he walks away happy and comes back the next week. Then why does it matter what he is being taught? Politics who cares, each to their own. Bretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KU Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 A student turns up and pays his money. If he walks away happy and comes back the next week. Then why does it matter what he is being taught? BrettyToo right as long as the student is enjoying what they are doing whatever that may be that's all that really matters. - Only by contrast can we see.- Each for his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBN Doug Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 It's their responsibility as soon as the get to the point where they know there is a difference, and care. Same as any other purchased product or service. If you know there is a difference, and care that there is a difference, then "buyer beware" is usually the safest advise. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryLove Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 Too right as long as the student is enjoying what they are doing whatever that may be that's all that really matters. So if I come in saying "I fear for my life and need to learn unarmed defenses", and what you teach me will not work, but you convince me it will, so I walk off with a happy feeling and come back next week... Not to mention more mundane issue like if you teach in a way that causes chronic damage to the practitioner... https://www.clearsilat.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bretty101 Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Too right as long as the student is enjoying what they are doing whatever that may be that's all that really matters. So if I come in saying "I fear for my life and need to learn unarmed defenses", and what you teach me will not work... So who is qualified to teach unarmed self defence? What exactly does work? I appreciate what you are saying but at the end of the day martial arts is not something you can regulate. and who has the authority to regulate it anyway? Politics Bretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryLove Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 I appreciate what you are saying but at the end of the day martial arts is not something you can regulate. and who has the authority to regulate it anyway? I pretty much agree with you (I actually would support some regulation). But what I am saying is that "the student is enjoying what they are doing" is not "all that really matters" https://www.clearsilat.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red J Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 It's their responsibility as soon as they get to the point where they know there is a difference, and care. I'll go along with KSN Doug on this one. Of course, how many people ever get to that point? I had to lose my mind to come to my senses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckdstudent Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 It's their responsibility as soon as they get to the point where they know there is a difference, and care. You're their instructor. If you've advertised self-defense then you better know what you're talking about. If you've advertised a martial art with no mention of self-defense then that's a different matter, give them what you say you'll give them, don't take advantage of them. ---------Pil SungJimmy B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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