Wanduan Kata

[Sanzinsoo]

Well, well, someone is kidding you with the fake Kata. I've never heard of such a strange name. Ha ha ha! I suppose someone fabricated the fake Kata which is resemble Gojuryu Kata. It's not a secret, but a newly fabricated fake Kata. Ah, the truth is not so exciting or interesting.

Edited September 10, 2014 by Sanzinsoo

[sensei8]

In shotokan karate we have Wankan. (similar name)

Which i believe is actually listed as the 26th shotokan kata, and most potentially is taught only to the highest ranked students. Meaning those of a certain level, not a secret group.

Gichin Funakoshi changed the names of many forms as he developed his own personal style, therefore i do not know whether this is the traditional name or not. But, perhaps this is the kata you're looking for.

It does depend on the association itself. When I did Shotokan, Wankan was the association kata and was taught from 3rd Kyu onwards and while it wasn't on any grading syllabus you could be asked to do it from 2nd Kyu onwards (as part of your grading)

To the bold type above...That's a valid point, imho!!

[devil dog]

Well, well, someone is kidding you with the fake Kata. I've never heard of such a strange name. Ha ha ha! I suppose someone fabricated the fake Kata which is resemble Gojuryu Kata. It's not a secret, but a newly fabricated fake Kata. Ah, truch is not so exciting or intereting.

With all due respect I do not think this kata is fake and I know it is not a goju ryu kata because I studied Goju Ryu for many years when I was younger.

Based on my research this Kata is neither fake nor a Goju Ryu Kata.

In fact it pre-dates Goju Ryu.

Just because you have never heard of it does not mean a Kata is fake or new. I remember the first time a friend that was studying Shotokan was telling me the Kata he was learning. I had never heard of these names before but that did not mean they were fake. In fact many were the same Kata's I was learning in Shorin Ryu but with different names.

There are many that have never heard of Hakutsuru but I can tell you they exist because we learn them in our system.

Sorry but the last person I would ever consider to play a trick on me is our Kaiso or Soshi. No... this Kata is not fake or modern. Both Patrick McCarthy and George Alexander has made mention of this Kata and both indicate the 48 techniques of quan in the bubishi - #18 throw as being shown in the Wanduan Kata.

In knowing what type of historians these two men are I tend to believe their research in such things.

I have also read that masters such as Iwah, Gokenki, Wai Shin Zan to name a few taught this Kata or Quan.

Again no disrespect meant but this is not a fake Kata as you indicated.

[sensei8]

Whether it is fake or not, I tend to believe that it's not, said kata in question may not be well known, it is well known to THOSE WHO PRACTICE it on a daily basis, therefore, kata in question is real to THEM.