How much effort?

[mal103]

Just wondering how much effort you put in when training and if the actions of the Sensei have a big influence.

I have trained with several good Sensei and normally have a semi wet or soaked Gi after an hour or so, since Brown belt I felt that I pushed myself more so wasn't too influenced by the drive of the sensei although one did push me more and I gave 110 percent effort.

It is painful to watch some just go through the motions when i'm out front, you want to push them but feel if you push too much they will give up or they will always be reliant on being pushed in training and will take longer to be able to push themselves.

Some just drive forwards regardless and will turn out well.

[chrissyp]

I tend to put in more, but it's a mental thing to me.

If the sensei/intstructor can keep the energy up, the motivation, its easier to work harder. The atmosphere for me will naturally make me to do it.

It could be you're just burned out some? Sometimes no matter how good of a trainer you have, if you're not 100% in it, it's hard to give 100% if not impossible. That's not a bad thing though, it happens to everyone.

[jaypo]

It depends on what you mean by effort. Personally, every time I step in the dojo, I give 100% mentally. Sometimes, I have to pace myself physically, but I never train without being 100% into it. My body wears down. But my effort doesn't. If I can't go with 100% speed and power because of my body, I'll soak up what I can mentally.

If I'm not 100% into in mentally, I will skip class. There's no point in me wasting my time or my club members/Sensei's time.

[hammer]

Put in what I feel I can and the try to add more. I've driven 20-30 minutes to get to class and I'm paying dues for it, why would I want to put in any less?

[mal103]

Chrissyp - i'm not suggesting I have a problem with effort as I feel I have reached a level where I can push myself.

I was just wondering how people view this subject, i've seen the same student give different amounts of effort with different instructors, i've also seen some look out the window.

Jaypo - I get what you mean about mental effort always needs to be there, some days I know I should of stayed at home, many others where I felt like not training but SO glad that I went. Training has a knack for taking your mind off your problems and setting your self at ease.

[hammer]

Training has a knack for taking your mind off your problems and setting your self at ease.

[CredoTe]

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It is painful to watch some just go through the motions when i'm out front, you want to push them but feel if you push too much they will give up or they will always be reliant on being pushed in training and will take longer to be able to push themselves.

Some just drive forwards regardless and will turn out well.

Yes, you can only push students so far. How far you can push them is dependent upon how much drive / determination they have. The rub is that it is virtually impossible to teach drive / determination. It's something each student must discover for themselves. However, it is possible to guide them in the general direction of discovering their drive / determination by pushing them.

Hmmm... A "perfect" circle? And this circle of push ~ discovery of drive / determination will grow as each student grows his/her own level of drive / determination.

[Archimoto]

My level of effort is always 100%.

My level of exertion however is completely in proportion to the objective of the given drill.

Some drills are meant to develop strength, others quickness, the list goes on.

I recommend giving your best, always. At the same time, make sure that you understand the objective of the drill or exercise.

[unknownstyle]

I agree with jaypo on this one. your body is going to wear as the class goes on but its at this point your mind will start correcting yoyr technique. in Shorin ryu when we test we do the basics very hatd and at a brisk pace. and try and keep the student tired the entire test so that speed and energy won't hide flaws and we can correct it easier. but when you're beyond blackbelt you should be able to feel the flaws and make your corrections for yourself.

[Lupin1]

Honestly, I wish I could say I give 100% at all times, but it'd be a total lie. I have days where I give 100% and feel great and I have days I'm just not all there-- my body's already exhausted or my mind is otherwise occupied-- days I'm proud of myself for just showing up and sticking it out to the end. Obviously the 100% days are more productive, but I still learn things on the stick-it-out days. I'd rather keep plodding along then push myself when my body's not feeling it and get hurt or start dreading class.