Cradle Hold with Knees

[Drew]

All in the title really. Anyone ever do this, think of it, seen it done? If you have seen this somewhere, I would much appreciate a link. I think my next opponent may well get his torso turned into a ladle via repeated cradle knees if it works as well in reality as it does in my head.

[MasterPain]

Rules against attacking the spine....

[Drew]

Rules against attacking the spine....

I was actually refering more to an actual pinning cradle rather than the typical 3/4 turned transition type cradle.

[ps1]

It works ok, if you can get the position. But to what end? If all you want to do is pin the opponent for a few moments, you will. If you want to finish the fight, you need to adjust the angle and attack the spine (if allowed in your academy or division). Otherwise you are using your entire body to control his entire body. Good jiu-jitsu has you using only a small part of your body to control your opponent's entire body. This leaves your arms to attack for the finish.

[Drew]

It works ok, if you can get the position. But to what end? If all you want to do is pin the opponent for a few moments, you will. If you want to finish the fight, you need to adjust the angle and attack the spine (if allowed in your academy or division). Otherwise you are using your entire body to control his entire body. Good jiu-jitsu has you using only a small part of your body to control your opponent's entire body. This leaves your arms to attack for the finish.

I'm failing to convey what it is I meant it seems.

By 'with knees' I meant hitting them with knee strikes (in the gut) after catching them in the pin.

The closest equivalent in wrestling is the near side cradle. http://wrestling.isport.com/wrestling-guides/how-to-defend-against-cradles-in-wrestling

A guy at my college judo club taught it to me a couple of years ago, only he would usually catch the other leg. I know it works as a pin, to reiterate my question I wondered if anyone has ever attempted to throw knees from such a position.

[ps1]

Oh. Sorry for the confusion. Didn't realize you meant knee strikes.

Yes. You can do that. I've seen it done a lot. The issue you'll run into, however is that the force of your knee strikes will make it difficult to keep a tight grip for more than 2 or 3 hits (assuming you're hitting hard). After that, your grip may break, leaving you in a poor controlling position and allowing for escape.

[bushido_man96]

Oh. Sorry for the confusion. Didn't realize you meant knee strikes.

Yes. You can do that. I've seen it done a lot. The issue you'll run into, however is that the force of your knee strikes will make it difficult to keep a tight grip for more than 2 or 3 hits (assuming you're hitting hard). After that, your grip may break, leaving you in a poor controlling position and allowing for escape.

I'd agree with this assessment. I'm guessing you would be striking the head with the knee strikes, as there doesn't appear to be many other good options to strike from that nearside cradle position. Unless there is something I can't see from watching the video.

[sensei8]

The knee strikes, correct me if I'm wrong, seem to only help one transition into a much better position, therefore, not to cause any noted damage to opponent. This is what we've done in Shindokan forever. Not saying that a well placed knee can't cause an opponent to lose ones breath.

Edited January 9, 2014 by sensei8

[bushido_man96]

I think the strikes would be delivered while in the setup position, from the side.

[sensei8]

I think the strikes would be delivered while in the setup position, from the side.

I concur!!