Traditional MA; No Longer Respected!?!

[sensei8]

I think it's relative. I travel around Britain alot, on training courses for work. Always take the chance to train where I am, even MMA gyms etc. And never really had a 'Your stuff don't work, traditional arts are rubbish', confrontation or even conversation. But I just want to train - I'll do there class, so they see an ability and willingness, before the topic comes up. The odd you kid may start and are usually stopped by the experienced students. I'm finding an interest, a lot of questions. Plus, alot of coaches miss the respect and discipline of a traditional class.

Solid post!!

[sensei8]

In Japanese traditions "Keiko Shokon" means...

"Reflecting deeply on the past - illuminates the future"

I quite like that, and, if you're not into that, then perhaps practicing a traditional MA isn't for you.

K.

Solid post!!

[quinteros1963]

Do I have to tell you that I'm with Bob on this? My Karatedo class has a Kickboxing class straight after it. Some kickboxers laugh and take the mike out of me in my Ironed Karategi, calling my Spiritual Path antiquated and useless. This was until one night, my Sensei made me do Kata over and over until I dripped with sweat. A kickboxer put his hand up and asked "What's this Rubbish he's doing with that hand when he does that silly knifehand block?" My Sensei, refering to my Nukite hikate pull back, said. "With that hand he takes your Xiphoid Process and rips it off the base of your breast bone; it's a terminal technique; there are no points in true Karatedo Philip." Enough said.

I would love to join a kick boxer in a few rounds of sparring to show what my traditional karate is all about. Let the floor be the judge.

[sensei8]

Do I have to tell you that I'm with Bob on this? My Karatedo class has a Kickboxing class straight after it. Some kickboxers laugh and take the mike out of me in my Ironed Karategi, calling my Spiritual Path antiquated and useless. This was until one night, my Sensei made me do Kata over and over until I dripped with sweat. A kickboxer put his hand up and asked "What's this Rubbish he's doing with that hand when he does that silly knifehand block?" My Sensei, refering to my Nukite hikate pull back, said. "With that hand he takes your Xiphoid Process and rips it off the base of your breast bone; it's a terminal technique; there are no points in true Karatedo Philip." Enough said.

I would love to join a kick boxer in a few rounds of sparring to show what my traditional karate is all about. Let the floor be the judge.

YES!!

[quinteros1963]

I've been invited to a class after the break so I will give it a go. I'll share the results.

[sensei8]

I've been invited to a class after the break so I will give it a go. I'll share the results.

Cool, I'll look forward to read about the results. Have fun!!

[ps1]

In Japanese traditions "Keiko Shokon" means...

"Reflecting deeply on the past - illuminates the future"

I quite like that, and, if you're not into that, then perhaps practicing a traditional MA isn't for you.

K.

Solid post!!

I agree with this. If all you really want to do is fight, Karate-do, isn't really for you anyway. It's not all about fighting...it's also about fighting. That's a huge distinction to make.

[sensei8]

In Japanese traditions "Keiko Shokon" means...

"Reflecting deeply on the past - illuminates the future"

I quite like that, and, if you're not into that, then perhaps practicing a traditional MA isn't for you.

K.

Solid post!!

I agree with this. If all you really want to do is fight, Karate-do, isn't really for you anyway. It's not all about fighting...it's also about fighting. That's a huge distinction to make.

Solid post!!

[Himokiri Karate]

I think you can blame that on MMA. Despite the fact that many many many MMA experts spent years in a traditional dojo, people only see what is going on in the ring. So they think they must go to an MMA gym to get skilled in actual combat.

They feel things like kata are antiquated and useless.

This statement bothers me due to the fact that I hear it alot in the TMA as well as in the boxing circle almost all the time.

Traditional martial art has itself to blame to be honest! (as does boxing)

Its not mma's fault that tma circles began to manufacture rainbow color belt

Its not mma's fault that every 8 year old and their grandmother is a blackbelt

Its not mma's fault that we have a mcdojo culture that was a result of many instructors in the tma community abusing their position for profit

These bad behaviours that occured in the tma world surfaced before the rise of the mma culture. Blaming mma is alot like the rap genre blaming rock and roll for its lack of popularity.

Also on a last note, to the poster who was insulted by a kickboxer, I have been involved with the boxing/tma world and I will say that every martial arts/combat culture has its bad apples as well as its unsung heros.

[ps1]

I think you can blame that on MMA. Despite the fact that many many many MMA experts spent years in a traditional dojo, people only see what is going on in the ring. So they think they must go to an MMA gym to get skilled in actual combat.

They feel things like kata are antiquated and useless.

This statement bothers me due to the fact that I hear it alot in the TMA as well as in the boxing circle almost all the time.

Traditional martial art has itself to blame to be honest! (as does boxing)

Its not mma's fault that tma circles began to manufacture rainbow color belt

Its not mma's fault that every 8 year old and their grandmother is a blackbelt

Its not mma's fault that we have a mcdojo culture that was a result of many instructors in the tma community abusing their position for profit

These bad behaviours that occured in the tma world surfaced before the rise of the mma culture. Blaming mma is alot like the rap genre blaming rock and roll for its lack of popularity.

Also on a last note, to the poster who was insulted by a kickboxer, I have been involved with the boxing/tma world and I will say that every martial arts/combat culture has its bad apples as well as its unsung heros.

I agree with all of your points.

To be more exact about my statement: The introduction of MMA into society allowed people to see there was something better out there. It exposed the multitude of schools that falsely claim to teach self defense when all they really were was a glorified daycare.

That's what I mean when I say, "It's MMAs fault." So all the things you mentioned, and some, are included in my statement. It opened people's eyes to being more skeptical of what their doing.