disciplining students

[bushido_man96]

I don't agree with punishing a whole class for one person's actions. Nor do I think that exercise punishment is necessarily the way to, either. I think sitting the person out for a time may be the better way to go. Or, as Bob mentioned, a suspension may be warranted.

[Hawkmoon]

Now I get the idea that excessive use of pushups etc to get a 'problem' to back-down or away form a particular behavior could be taken as a negative!

I get that I really do!

Peer pressure can do more good then the 'punishment' does harm, hence it is used but only if the incident warrants that as a response.

However, not all incidents warrant such a response, it could be a over used if its trying to address giggles or completely worthless if its to address a full on fight because 'he said that i said and they said that we said....'

As I say I do get the potential for a negative view of such punishment here, isolation even 'banishment' will at this point be the only tools/options left to you......however......

Devils advocate time.....

What then should the 'pupil' do if they only understand that (whatever that is) is the only response they have?

I am looking at the parent who we have seen in the hall or outside and can see/tell etc they are ...um....less than an ideal role model.

The pupil does ..whatever it is they do...because that is the example set to them said grown up.

They have no other moral compass to guide them, your not a surrogate parent but you are a teacher...so what now, how do you deal with that?

Do you deal with that?

I've a story in my head I read the other day where a parent was pulled to one side by a head teacher at a school for shouting at here child that it was better to be a bully than a victim.

For as much as I could understand the thought process that drove that statement, the mind set was wrong and only (IMHO) served to promote the idea of being a bully!

[MasutaDeKaba]

Well, my fellow Instructors and I use exercises as punishments. We go easy on the little ones but harder on the older ones.

They get given either: Press-ups, Sit-ups, Squat-thrusts or burpies. We also have a maximum number for each grade.

Yellow Belt and under: 20

Blue, green and orange: 35

Brown: 50

Black belts shouldn't be punished, but if they do muck about, 60. What do you think?

[Hawkmoon]

...well with the children's age in mind I'd say an increase in the numbers over time!

So the first 'correction' would be 10, the next one for the same thing should be 20 and so on.

The important point here (so far not mentioned I think sorry if I repeat someone else here) is once the 'correction' is completed a no name or aggressive explanation given to all saying why it just happen.

The explanation has to logically guide the children to one decision they have to make (there is term for this , it escapes me now sorry) so the have a choice they have to make, be good or do more.!

As to the black belts, there is no reason at all that a 'Shodan' (First grade) should ever receive 'correction' if one should then its a single not a group response...and one that is clearly stated as;

"Do ....I'll say when to stop!"

Now if there are two persons involved, then more reliance on each other (team work) comes into play.

Here the second person counts out loud how many are being done, you as the head instructor get to gauge when 'enough' has been done.

(Maybe there is no total maybe you are watching the clock so after 2mins or etc (you get the idea) you call stop and they swap position.)

Again you are now in a position to gauge what the second person does be this equal number or equal time or do more or do less....you get the idea.

What you have is an opportunity to single out the pair or the individual as you need to, so the second may have simply been involved because they were a part of the group, you noted were not focused on the given training at that moment.

So this person maybe gets a pass and only does 30 (for example), you call stop. Here is where you offer them both a repeat of the 'punishment' but here you clearly point out that a second infringement will not favor anyone!

Isolation!

The idea being you are engaging peer pressure and the 'shodan' is now presented to the club over all as the one who should now set the bar with regards to respect etc etc.

My logic here is simple .....

When Shodan messes up (rare to never happen type of mind set) then that is crushed..simple as a that crushed.

[bushido_man96]

Well, my fellow Instructors and I use exercises as punishments. We go easy on the little ones but harder on the older ones.

They get given either: Press-ups, Sit-ups, Squat-thrusts or burpies. We also have a maximum number for each grade.

Yellow Belt and under: 20

Blue, green and orange: 35

Brown: 50

Black belts shouldn't be punished, but if they do muck about, 60. What do you think?

I think I can't do 60 push-ups, so I'd try not to get into trouble.

[Hawkmoon]

Well, my fellow Instructors and I use exercises as punishments. We go easy on the little ones but harder on the older ones.

They get given either: Press-ups, Sit-ups, Squat-thrusts or burpies. We also have a maximum number for each grade.

Yellow Belt and under: 20

Blue, green and orange: 35

Brown: 50

Black belts shouldn't be punished, but if they do muck about, 60. What do you think?

I offer it may serve you better to have no set limits to the count, but rather the 'count' is set as needed to fit the crime..

Giggling get a lower count then say heavy contact because "he said ...." etc etc

[sensei8]

Well, my fellow Instructors and I use exercises as punishments. We go easy on the little ones but harder on the older ones.

They get given either: Press-ups, Sit-ups, Squat-thrusts or burpies. We also have a maximum number for each grade.

Yellow Belt and under: 20

Blue, green and orange: 35

Brown: 50

Black belts shouldn't be punished, but if they do muck about, 60. What do you think?

I think I can't do 60 push-ups, so I'd try not to get into trouble.

Yeah...I've a black belt myself, but it's not in doing push-ups, if you get my meaning.

[bushido_man96]

Well, my fellow Instructors and I use exercises as punishments. We go easy on the little ones but harder on the older ones.

They get given either: Press-ups, Sit-ups, Squat-thrusts or burpies. We also have a maximum number for each grade.

Yellow Belt and under: 20

Blue, green and orange: 35

Brown: 50

Black belts shouldn't be punished, but if they do muck about, 60. What do you think?

I think I can't do 60 push-ups, so I'd try not to get into trouble.

Yeah...I've a black belt myself, but it's not in doing push-ups, if you get my meaning.

Yeah, that's right!

[devil dog]

My Sensei had us do knuckle push ups, wall sits, squat jumps, sit ups and if it was really bad we would get hit with a shinai on the back of the legs. It was a great way to condition our bodies but as far as punishment went it ended up distracting the class more than teaching us a lesson and the classes ended up going down hill from there.

My personal way of disciplining is to pull the individual aside after class and talk with them.

If it is a child I have the parent come with us and I explain that if it happens again they will be asked to sit and watch everyone train and if they persist in distracting the class I will ask them to leave until they think they can rejoin the class without distraction.

If it is an adult I will talk with them one on one.

However if enough students are joining in on the distractions I have done what our DI's in the Corps did in boot camp which is force the entire class to perform push ups and wall sits. This worked extremely well because they would rather train than do push up for an hour or two.

I explain that since they do not want to train we will excersize. I rarely have any issues.