Training and grading in more than one style?

[Hawkmoon]

What is the etiquette around training with more than one club?

Etiquette is decided by the individual, imho, for the most part. However, checking in with the individual school should be a consideration.

What is the etiquette about training in more than one style?

That's, imho, a personal decision that a practitioner has to make for themselves. Give respect to each separate style as they deserve and be loyal to them all, knowing that when at one style, the other style(s) will have a different mindset across the board. One has to be considerate across the board.

Should I grade to 1st kyu in shotokan or should I continue grading in ishin-ryu (I will not be able to attend my ishin-ryu club weekly, more like a couple of times per month), and if I grade in shotokan will I be welcome at my old club?

Grade as you see appropriate. Grade in both if you desire, no matter how long it might take because rank isn't set on a time schedule; it'll happen when it happens and not until then. If you respect both styles across the board to the best of your abilities, I don't see any reason(s) that you won't be welcomed at both. Respect goes along, long way.

I believe that you'll be just fine. Why? You've taken the first steps in considering the big picture towards betterment. Good luck, hang in there, and train hard!!

Etiquette, is whatever that dojo requests. Each club, style is unique and will want to show that to all who look.

For example

Kyokushin hold the back hand high under there armpit where shotokan hold the back hand next to the hip!

As to grades in one or the other, to use Kyokushin as an example, learn both (or all three etc) , Sosai Oyama held Dan grades in both Shotokan and Judo, before he created Kyokushinkai.

Accept each on its own merits, learn and I would stress enjoy.

[Kusotare]

I'll stand corrected, but I don't believe Oyama sensei was a dan grade in Judo.

Do you have any supporting evidence of this?

Wikipedia says he was but according to Hall he trained mainly in Shotokan and Goju (as well as Chinese boxing arts)

K.

[sensei8]

I'll stand corrected, but I don't believe Oyama sensei was a dan grade in Judo.

Do you have any supporting evidence of this?

Wikipedia says he was but according to Hall he trained mainly in Shotokan and Goju (as well as Chinese boxing arts)

K.

There is this bit of info, towards the end of the 2nd paragraph of this link...

http://uskyokushin.com/sosai.htm

[Kusotare]

Yes,

This seems to be repeated on most kyokushin websites - however referencing independent sources there seems to be little mention of his training in Judo.

There are also mentions of training in Daito-ryu - entirely possible but again, not mentioned by Hall in his “Encyclopedia of Japanese Martial Arts” – for example.

K.

[Kusotare]

Just to clarify...

I'm not trying to suggest Oyama sensei Isn't what we think... I'm trying to prove what we know.

K.

[sensei8]

Possibly David Hall wasn't privy to certain facts about Oyama, for one reason or another. Was his information first hand knowledge or second hand knowledge through interviews and the like? I don't know!! Any information I have about Oyama is all second hand knowledge through things I've read and from what some Kyokushinkai practitioners I've exchanged with over the years have said to me in a passing mention.

[Kusotare]

Possibly David Hall wasn't privy to certain facts about Oyama, for one reason or another. Was his information first hand knowledge or second hand knowledge through interviews and the like? I don't know!! Any information I have about Oyama is all second hand knowledge through things I've read and from what some Kyokushinkai practitioners I've exchanged with over the years have said to me in a passing mention.

Dr Hall's work is widely regarded as sound and very well researched.

This is what led me to question the omission of references to Judo and Daito-ryu when it came to Oyama sensei and indeed Kyokushinkai.

Also, I think when it comes to many sensei in the early 1900's - they were happy to let urban myths survive as it often meant the difference between success and failure for their school - Also called good marketing

K.

[Hawkmoon]

Sosai Oyma, Took up Judo - 1951!

http://www.mas-oyama.com/cgi-bin/english/siteup.cgi?category=1&page=0

What grade I cannot see listed on this site...hmmm

This site, takes an age to load sometimes, but judo is listed but no details:

http://www.masutatsuoyama.com/en/home/masoyama.htm

I've a book book written by Sosai, I'll review see if it mentions any detail.

An awesome find 50p on a second hand book market - Vital karate

Other books to get:

This is karate

Advanced Karate.

Edit:

ah here's a site (as an example)

http://www.masutatsuoyama.com/en/home/masoyama.htm

4th Dan, which I what I was always told.