Are those dangerous?

[Xtreme Fury]

I saw a few hapkido clips today. I really don't know how they can throw someone just by twisting their wrist but you can't throw someone twice your size can you? Also practicing these drills(all those wrist stuff) will give you arthritis when you get older am I right?

[BlackI]

I don't know about the arthritis question, but I will tell you, that you can throw someone twice your size. It is all scienctific. Motion and energy can be very devastating.

[ZakariRu]

the wrist throws in hapkido, shorinji kempo, and aikido throw people not so much because of a physical power but more so out of pain when someone starts a painful throw like that if you resist you post yourself into the ground alot more, then when you do realese your energy is adding to the throw. Its like making a decision between breaking your arm, and jumping (going with) the throw. the harder you fight back the harder the throw eventually is

[G95champ]

Yeah if you control the wrist oddly enough you control the person. You would be shocked at how much you can control someone just by holding it right.

[Kensai]

Xtreme Fury,

 

I study Aikido, the throws are very interesting point. But as the wise ZakariRu said its either a broken wrist or you move with it, which usually ends up in a broken wrist. BUt as soon as the pain on the wrist is put on, you really cant think of anything else apart from to make it stop. The Wrist is full of pressure points, that is also why is is so effective.

 

Also about the person being twice your size, well, I have been reading about Sensei Suenaka. He teachs in Hawaii, a large American guy came into his dojo and asked him to put on a wrist lock. Sensei Suenaka being only 5"8 and this huge muscle bound American it would seems a forgon conclusion. Well Suenaka put on the Nikkyo technique and this guy was just too strong. So the American laughed and said is this the measure of Aikido, Sensei Suenaka, then asked if this was a REAL fight situation. The American guy said do whatever, so Sensei Suenaka, Ki struck his throat, the wrist lock went on and the American flew into the floor, with a wrist frauctured in 6 places. The moral of this story is that any lock can be applied as you as you move someones mind.

 

Take Care.

[SBN Doug]

Excellent point.

 

We practice many of the same holds/throws as hapkido. A big guy (that I did know) was looking for a MA to study. When he found out I was a 2nd dan, he asked something along the lines of, "Would that stuff really work on somebody my size?" I started to show him some of the basic principals, however he purposely resisted trying to show his strength would not allow it. I asked if we could move to a softer area of ground, loosened him up with a pressure point strike, started one direction then pivoted to take him the other way. He and I laughed at the yell that came out of his mouth, while in mid air, for days.

[JerryLove]

I saw a few hapkido clips today. I really don't know how they can throw someone just by twisting their wrist but you can't throw someone twice your size can you?

If you can convince them to cooperate. That's what the twisting is for. I'm not personally a fan of reliance on pain-compliance techniques.

Also practicing these drills(all those wrist stuff) will give you arthritis when you get older am I right?

I would be more worried about hypoerxetension, metacarpal tearing, sprains, and repetitive stress injury.

[Pacificshore]

The nice thing about joint locks or manipulations is to get compliance from someone. However, the locks or manipulations would work only if the person was caught off guard, at least in my opinion. As Kenisai and KSN Doug related, you would more than likely have to distract the person with another strike in order to place them in a lock and break their center(one point).

 

When you see styles like Hapkido, Aikido, Akijujitsu, or any other art with joint locks and manipulations, work on technique you see the Uki's being thrown around like rag dolls. That is because as the Uki, you want to escape the pain being placed on the joint, and you also want to escape the possibility of breaking the joint. Also once the person practicing the technique achieves the pain compliance and does the throw, they will lightenup on the lock/hold so as to not cause any damage to their Uki.

 

But when you apply the technique in a street self defense situation, you probably will not be lightening up on the lock/hold, as a result bones may fracture and tendons tear. The attacker may not even be thrown through the air like you practice it, but simply crumble down to the ground.

[JerryLove]

Let's assume for a moment that you get your favorite wrist lock. And let's assume that you get enough torque in to hyperextend the wrist. Don't expect any more than your opponent having reduced finesse in that wrist. Not only are most joint locks notoriously hard to get "off-the-bat", but with the chemicals running around during a fight; it's not difficult to continue with a hyperextended joint.

[Kensai]

I would agree Jerry. But with constant training, you can achieve all locks. Especially with the aid of Atemi Waza. Thats from my experience.

 

Pacificshore

 

I heard this story about my Sensei. He was training as usual someone attacked him with a knife on the mat, have no idea why. My Sensei would always say focus on what you have learnt, let gravity do the rest. Back to the story, when my sensei took the throw, he also kept on the lock resulting in something popping out and a broken wrist. Not nice

 

In Aikido we are usually very nice to our Uke's, he.she is my Uke not my enemy.

 

Take Care