Do Kyokushin or other karate styles practice throws?

[sensei8]

Very nice topic and some great replies! Thanks for starting this topic Himokiri Karate!!

Interpretation of Kata is an interesting and valid concern within itself. Are the "throws" doable/effective when "we" perform them as they "might have" been designed by the creator of said kata? It's the EFFORT of the training that might answer that, and in that, the lack of proper training effort at the analysis might fall short of the intended desires.

The "throws" in kata don't work when practitioners are training with a unresistant training partner. Work with a resistant training partner one learns to "work" through the "throws" so that one can see how the body mechanics work, and even in that, adaptive changes might be needed to pull the "throw" off successfully.

[pers]

.... or even the 3rd move of Heian Shodan.....

???? you must be reffering to that hammer fist strike ,you need to be as strong as a bull to throw someone with that !

we were taught it is a release of a grab and a strike to the head .

[bushido_man96]

Though the throws may be in the kata, how many of you can genuinely say in a regular karate class you routinely practice them? I think that's something we need to keep in mind - though it's there, it doesn't necessarily give us the skill to accomplish it without putting in the effort to train them.

I agree, and this is the most important point, I think. In all the material we cover in our curriculum (and keep in mind we don't do any kind of forms applications training in classes), we do one takedown, in an orange belt one-step. We could make it into a trip or a reap, but we only do it on one side, attacking their forward right leg. And once they complete the punch, they are done moving, so no resistance.

I think that rather than looking into the forms for throwing applications, it might be more important to have someone with the knowledge of applying throws and takedowns in by use of some active partner drills would server the students much better.

[ps1]

Does karate have throws...yes, lots of them.

Does karate practice throws, usually only a handful and rarely in a live fashion.

[yamesu]

Kuma has given some insightful info on Kyokushin.

My personal experiences are the same.

There are many goshin-jutsu techniques we practice in a self-defence vein within Kyokushin.

Out of 3 lessons a week, in at least one of them we do grappling/throws.

[Kuma]

I think that rather than looking into the forms for throwing applications, it might be more important to have someone with the knowledge of applying throws and takedowns in by use of some active partner drills would server the students much better.

I think this is the way to go too.

In just a few short months of Judo I feel my takedowns and throws we occasionally do train in the Kyokushin system have become noticeably better simply due to a little schooling in those throws that showed me what I need to do to maxmize effectiveness.

[yamesu]

I think that rather than looking into the forms for throwing applications, it might be more important to have someone with the knowledge of applying throws and takedowns in by use of some active partner drills would server the students much better.

I think this is the way to go too.

In just a few short months of Judo I feel my takedowns and throws we occasionally do train in the Kyokushin system have become noticeably better simply due to a little schooling in those throws that showed me what I need to do to maxmize effectiveness.

Agreed, I can say the same.

As for the statement regarding finding someone who has knowledge of applying throws in active drills-

I think the same can be said for all techniques, striking included.

It is one thing to learn to punch through a kata, but a different thing to be able to actually strike in Jissen Kumite.

[brickshooter]

Sweeps are often taught in many schools. But I rarely see throws taught. I suspect it's because instructors weren't taught such techniques. So they're not going to pass something that they're not an expert in.

But throws are making a comeback. I know of karate instructors and judo instructors openning schools together, with each teaching their field of expertise. And the results have been amazing. I'm surprise that its not more common since lessons are usually given every other day in a pure style school.

[Harkon72]

Our Sensei's Instructor is a Karate Master, also a Kobudo 2nd Dan and holds a Dan grade in Ju Jitsu, I hope these skill will be taught to us in turn. Our Kata are old but I hope that the applications will be taught and re-taught in a new fresh light. My Sensei will go for his Godan this year, then who knows where our Karate will lead us.

[mal103]

.... or even the 3rd move of Heian Shodan.....

???? you must be reffering to that hammer fist strike ,you need to be as strong as a bull to throw someone with that !

we were taught it is a release of a grab and a strike to the head .

3rd move is the 180 degree turn and gedan barai, after punching someone you grab them and lean back whilst doing a turn and pulling them off balance as you twist.

The hammer fist is a grab release as you say, can also clear a chest grab and then follow in to strike head or face.