Immature/Rowdy Red Belt

[ShotokanMaster]

Pdbnb My answer to you is That 13 year old 2nd kup shouldn't got his red belt in the 1st place because he doesn't behave he has no discipline and he fools around to much in class in my shotokan class you cant do that or else they gonna make you do push up or sit in the corner all the kids in my shotokan class behaves and they are focused on what is the sensie teaching them.

2nd of all his mom should discipline him because of what his doing in class is not good if i was his sensie he doesn't deserved to be a red belt in my class if you deserved it you will get it but if you don't you will not get your belt until your ready

[sensei8]

If I was the instructor...I would've told you to worry about your training/learning/practicing because that's what's important, and not the bothersome's of another student(s). Your there to learn/train/practice!!

And yes, that student wouldn't have rank until he/she learned to respect the dojo and the other students!!

[straightblast]

If I was 13, I would be doing cartwheels also.

Like others have said, you dont know his situation or any conditions there might be, it's a private matter and maybe only reserved for the instructor.

Calling a book by the cover is the wrong way to approach life.

[JonWal]

It would bother me if the 13 year old was responsible for persistant stops in class due to his behaviour.

From the OP's perspective, if he's paying for MA lessons which are being disrupted by the sensei having to disiplin a child every 5 minutes then I can see where he's coming from.

[Shizentai]

If I was the instructor...I would've told you to worry about your training/learning/practicing because that's what's important, and not the bothersome's of another student(s). Your there to learn/train/practice!!

And yes, that student wouldn't have rank until he/she learned to respect the dojo and the other students!!

I was thinking these exact things. As usual, Sensei8 says it all.

Just some personal thoughts to add...

I think that in general leadership is not as clear-cut as many people would like to think. Outside of the dojo, no one is given kyu or dan rank in life. We may place titles on our names like "Professor" or "Director" or "President" but even so, you can't truly say that without such a title a person cannot lead. Neither can you say that just having the title, or even being elected into the position makes you a good leader. Being a good leader has little to do with rank in my opinion (although in the dojo we strive to make them more connected). I believe that it has more to do with the desire to help others work together effectively.

So what to do in a situation like that? That is your chance to step-in and be a good leader to him and everyone else in the class. You don't have to be a high rank or order people around to do that though! Just be kind and respectful to everyone and be serious and confident with your own training and who knows, maybe even that red belt will want to take a page out of your book.

[sensei8]

If I was the instructor...I would've told you to worry about your training/learning/practicing because that's what's important, and not the bothersome's of another student(s). Your there to learn/train/practice!!

And yes, that student wouldn't have rank until he/she learned to respect the dojo and the other students!!

I was thinking these exact things. As usual, Sensei8 says it all.

Just some personal thoughts to add...

I think that in general leadership is not as clear-cut as many people would like to think. Outside of the dojo, no one is given kyu or dan rank in life. We may place titles on our names like "Professor" or "Director" or "President" but even so, you can't truly say that without such a title a person cannot lead. Neither can you say that just having the title, or even being elected into the position makes you a good leader. Being a good leader has little to do with rank in my opinion (although in the dojo we strive to make them more connected). I believe that it has more to do with the desire to help others work together effectively.

So what to do in a situation like that? That is your chance to step-in and be a good leader to him and everyone else in the class. You don't have to be a high rank or order people around to do that though! Just be kind and respectful to everyone and be serious and confident with your own training and who knows, maybe even that red belt will want to take a page out of your book.

Very solid post!!

[maisweh]

well, knowing how 10-14 year olds are, but not knowing the situation, i would say either his parents aren't doing a good job disciplining them at home, or hes just being a typical teenager. most people i know understand that belt rank is just a color, and it can be taken away, but you cant take away skill and knowledge. stop focusing so much on what others are doing, and focus on what you're doing.