sk0t Posted September 17, 2002 Posted September 17, 2002 This is not to say that I dont like Sifu Lee, because I do think that he was a pioneer in his own time...but you do you feel that is what everyone in the JKD world makes him out to be... Do you think that we should all mold our training around his... Just remember he didnt like traditional Martial Arts, and he bashed them quite frequently, and he also would fight at a whim... What do you think? sk0t"I shall not be judged by what style I know, but how I apply that style againsts yours..."
Kyle-san Posted September 17, 2002 Posted September 17, 2002 I think that the JKD community has taken the wrong direction with Lee's teachings (my opinion from what little I've read/discussed). From what I understand, his original intent with JKD was to create a style that had the best aspects of many traditional martial arts, but could be applied to anyone based on their preferences. By moulding all training exactly after what he did that would completely defeat the purpose of an individualized style. I feel looking at his intent rather than his application is the important thing. He was certainly a pioneer, and maybe he was the best martial artist to appear in modern times, but that doesn't make him the best of all time. Sorry, that's rather jumbled.
sk0t Posted September 17, 2002 Author Posted September 17, 2002 I totally agree... Intent and application are equal tho...because his application is jsut as important as his intent...it is just the method to get there is just as complicated... sk0t"I shall not be judged by what style I know, but how I apply that style againsts yours..."
Kyle-san Posted September 17, 2002 Posted September 17, 2002 I totally agree... Intent and application are equal tho...because his application is jsut as important as his intent...it is just the method to get there is just as complicated... Sorry, my reply was poorly worded. By application I mean when people focus on what he focused on instead of what works for them. just because a certain set of techniques worked well for Bruce Lee, doesn't mean they'll work well with everyone else.
omnifinite Posted September 17, 2002 Posted September 17, 2002 I dunno... Musashi killed, what, 60 people? And those people were armed. How long would Bruce Lee have survived a life like that? 1st Dan HapkidoColored belts in Kempo and Jujitsu
Kyle-san Posted September 17, 2002 Posted September 17, 2002 I dunno... Musashi killed, what, 60 people? And those people were armed. How long would Bruce Lee have survived a life like that? Ah, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. There are many examples of martial artists conducting great feats, but we have no modern way of testing this out. All we can do is speculate on who would actually have been the best. Although, for modern times (say, the last 50 years) Bruce Lee stands out in my mind as the best.
ZakariRu Posted September 17, 2002 Posted September 17, 2002 Bruce:: He was one of the finest martial artist to ever live. his theorys on movement, combinations, and lead side attacks were truely revolitionary and now adays seem like common sense. (look at karate kumite compeitiors for the best jeet kune do examples.) Musashi:: If i was a serial killer for my entire life, and then retreated to a mountaint to write a book about it, would future martial artist try and use it as a philosphical manual? If you have actually read a book of five rings/spheres. there is no way around it, Musashi was a psycopath who did not believe in a fair fight.
taezee Posted September 17, 2002 Posted September 17, 2002 although i am a big fan of bruce..i cannot say best of all time..maybe the most exposed or the one person who made martial arts explode world wide.. however there are so many martial artist from different countries and styles that are great but dont make movies.. id say more like "the most famous" martial artist.. Javier l Rosario instructor taekwondo/hapkidounder master Atef s Himaya"whenever youre lazy enough not to train .someone, somewhere is training very hard to kick your *"
LeaF Posted September 18, 2002 Posted September 18, 2002 Musashi:: If i was a serial killer for my entire life, and then retreated to a mountaint to write a book about it, would future martial artist try and use it as a philosphical manual? If you have actually read a book of five rings/spheres. there is no way around it, Musashi was a psycopath who did not believe in a fair fight. Are you crazy. You cannot even compare Bruce Lee to people like Miyamoto Mushashi. He was by no means a serial killer, all the duels where acceptedd by both parties, or they would not be duels. And yes I have read the book of five rings and Musashi is by no means a pyshopath. He used his mind and skill to defeat many oppenants. And if you know anything you would know that many a time he would beat famous martial artists with nothing by a bokken (wooden sword) against a sharp katana, so don't even say he didn't know how to fight fair. He may have used some little tricks but they were used only when needed, one such incident is below. Mussashi a psychopath, I think not, perhaps genius is a better term! Sasaki Kojiro was one of the greatest fencers in his time, and the most famous in southern Japan. He was known not only for his fencing abilities but also for his generous personality. At that time Sasaki Kojiro was 40 years old and the creator of Ganryu Ryu. On the day of the dual Kojiro arrives on time armed with an extra long katana made by the famous sword smith Nagamitsu of Bizen. Since Musashi is not there Sado sends his officials to get him, by this time the water was filled with boats full of spectators. Sado's officials find Musashi asleep in bed. Musashi gets up and drinks the water they brought him to wash in. Musashi heads straight for the boat that awaits him. On the ride to the island Musashi carves a wooden sword from an extra oar. When Musashi arrives at the island he is two hours late he rushes out of the boat with his wooden oar and rushes through the waves to the beach where Kojiro awaits him. As the meet Kojiro draws his sword and throws his sheath away. Musashi smiles and says, Sasaki you have sealed your doom...What victor on earth would ever abandon his sheath to the sea?Kojiro attacks and cuts the headband off Musashi's head, but Musashi's attack with the wooden oar and kills Kojiro. Musashi bows and runs to the boat. According to Eiji Yoshikawa's classic novel, Musashi, Musashi felt a spiritual awakening. For the first time in his life, a tear had been shed for a fallen enemy. A possible reason on why Musashi was late for the dual was a time-delay strategy. He might have thought that Kojiro's people would kill him after the dual. He knew that the more he delayed more and more spectators would go to the place of the dual. Therefore making it easy for him to disappear into the crowd after the dual. And that happened. Goju Ryu Karate-do and Okinawan Kobudo, 17 Years Old 1st kyu Brown Belt in in Goju Ryu Karate-do, & Shodan in Okinawan KobudoGiven enough time, any man may master the physical. With enough knowledge, any man may become wise. It is the true warrior who can master both....and surpass the result.I AM CANADIAN
Red J Posted September 18, 2002 Posted September 18, 2002 I don't know if Lee was the best of all time but he surely has had an impact on MA, especially in the West. Even 30 years past his death he is still a household name. He certainly has done much to bring popularity to MA. I had to lose my mind to come to my senses.
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