Rolling: Shoulder Roll or Judo Roll?

[vantheman]

Through my martial arts experience, I have done many different kinds of rolls, but there seem to be two major ways to perform a front roll. (Both can be seen in this video

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The judo roll (roll 1 in the video): A modified somersault, the hands remain in the center and stay on the ground throughout the roll.

The Shoulder roll (roll 2): Also know as a Parkour roll, this goes from one shoulder to the opposite hip.

Which one does your art use more? Which one do you prefer? My school tends to do the shoulder roll style more, and we sometimes do a dive variant of it.

(There is a third, Ninja-esque, roll at the end, but I haven't seen that as much as the other two)

[tallgeese]

Both my first art and later the BJJ academies I've been at have both done the shoulder to hip roll. It minimized spinal contact with the floor and doesn't rely on any hands for support and it lends itself to breakfall training to either side and the back.

[Lupin1]

Why is the first roll called a judo roll? I would get yelled at so bad if I put my hands down like that in Judo. I would never put my hands down like that... Break your wrists if you land wrong... I do keep getting yelled at, too, for doing something closer to the third roll shown where I land by my shoulder first instead of rolling up my arm. The one they want us to do is pretty close to the 2nd roll, but with different hand positions.

[JusticeZero]

Neither; au/au chibata works fine for that sort've energy recovery, and we usually train all our falling on swept concrete or cobble.

Also not a fan of the way he put his hands down for roll #1. Wrists don't hold force in the ways that the calves do, and he's springing off of the fingers that way.

[Wastelander]

I did judo for 4 years, and both styles of karate I have trained in include breakfalls in their curriculum, and I have NEVER been taught to put my hands down as shown in Roll 1.

[ninjanurse]

Shoulder rolls unless practicing straight overs.

[Tempest]

Through my martial arts experience, I have done many different kinds of rolls, but there seem to be two major ways to perform a front roll. (Both can be seen in this video

)

The judo roll (roll 1 in the video): A modified somersault, the hands remain in the center and stay on the ground throughout the roll.

The Shoulder roll (roll 2): Also know as a Parkour roll, this goes from one shoulder to the opposite hip.

Which one does your art use more? Which one do you prefer? My school tends to do the shoulder roll style more, and we sometimes do a dive variant of it.

(There is a third, Ninja-esque, roll at the end, but I haven't seen that as much as the other two)

Ok, first of all, that guy is having too much fun wearing a black costume outside on a bright sunshiny day.

But seriously, roll number 1 is a summersault(sp?), not a roll you see in Judo except as a way to teach kids and beginners.

Roll number 2 is close to a proper Zempo Kaiten Ukemi, but you might want to make sure you are better at it than this guy. One of the main technical points is to make sure that if you start with the right arm and right leg forward when you finish standing the left arm and left leg are forward to allow for continuous(sp?) rolling without the need to take a step in between. This is critical if you were to say, be a NINJA and jump off the back of something moving and need to kill more momentum than a single roll would allow without harming yourself.

Roll number 3 is a no hands version of roll 2. When you get decent at forward rolls, the hands are not really necessary and if you are relying on them then you are in trouble shoud you ever be thrown with something that occupys your hands.

[Kusotare]

We practice both Touritsu (handstand) and Zempo Kaiten (shoulder to hip) Ukemi.

Whilst I wouldn't say it was wrong to learn them by using your hands (or at least your hands make contact with the floor) - the better you get at them the least you should have to use your hands and arms.

In our school we also have the added dynamic of performing Ukemi whilst wearing weapons (Kodachi and Odachi) - now that’s not easy!

As for the doing them in the stealthiest way possible??? I'm not sure that is a major objective behind learning them in the first place. Chances are if you have to use ukemi, your opponent already knows you are there!!

Also, by using the bottom of your foot to absorb the drop (thus keeping your hips off the floor) this minimises spinal contact with the floor and also - helps if you are wearing weapons.

K.

[sensei8]

Shoulder to hip roll...I won't do any other.

Btw, I like the fact that, in the video link provided, he was doing rolls downhill.

[Dobbersky]

Can't view the videos but the rolls we practice are similar to that used in Aikido, but have used the forward, back & side breakfalls used in Judo & Jujitsu