Goshin Jitsu

[DoctorQui]

Hi guys

Not sure if GJ is Karate or Grappling art so I'll start this in General!

A local GJ club has opened in my area, has anyone had any experience of this. Was thinking of having a look at it as a secondary Art.

Thoughts would be appreciated!

I'll go an look of course but value everyone;s opinions!

[bassaiguy]

The Goshin Jutsu I'm familiar with is a post-WWII art made by combining aspects of Judo, boxing and Japanese Jujutsu with Western combatives. Focus is on self-defense. However, there are a few styles calling themselves Goshin Jutsu. There is also a judo kata of the same name the is focused on self-defense techniques.

If you get a chance to visit or get a link I'd be interested in seeing what you've found.

[DoctorQui]

The Goshin Jutsu I'm familiar with is a post-WWII art made by combining aspects of Judo, boxing and Japanese Jujutsu with Western combatives. Focus is on self-defense. However, there are a few styles calling themselves Goshin Jutsu. There is also a judo kata of the same name the is focused on self-defense techniques.

If you get a chance to visit or get a link I'd be interested in seeing what you've found.

Goshin 'Jutsu' is apparently different from 'Jitsu' as there is a strong Karate element but other than that, I can find very little other than a Wiki description.

OSU

[Dobbersky]

Sounds a little bit of a hybrid, like the Karate Jitsu clubs I see around, possibly a marketing ploy to get people into thinking it's Jujitsu when it's more karate based.

If it's a good school great, if it's a belt factory - booooo

[andym]

Goshin Jutsu

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it is a modernized form of Ju-Jutsu, founded by Professor Clark in the late 1960's. Heavily influenced by Karate, as mentioned. Technical , when I saw it , it always seemed to go in for overkill responses. Note: this was a UK based system that was big in the 1970's

[Dobbersky]

Goshin Jutsu

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it is a modernized form of Ju-Jutsu, founded by Professor Clark in the late 1960's. Heavily influenced by Karate, as mentioned. Technical , when I saw it , it always seemed to go in for overkill responses. Note: this was a UK based system that was big in the 1970's

So dare I be bold and say similar to Wado Ryu as this is a blend of Jujitsu and Karate. I know its not exactly that as I know a few will give the correct description of Wado (something regarding a pinch of salt etc.)

[DoctorQui]

Went and had a look! Appears to be mainly ground fighting, grappling, holds and chokes. Didn't really see anything useful for me!

[kensei]

Goshin Jitsu is a term used for "self preservation/defense" in Japan. It was hijacked so to speak after world war two to describe a form of Jujitsu that tried to take element of Judo and Karate and mixed them.

Modern Goshin jitsu does not exist in Japan really, it is more a term used for self defense training. In North America several groups have adopted this name for its style and have created a system that mimics the current trends in martial arts to draw in students. When Aikido was very popular in the 80's the system undertook a kind of standing Grappling training and then when Aikido died down it took on a more Grab and strike approach. Now that Jiu Jitsu is popular in the modern mentality the group has turned to a lot of ground fighting skills to train.

The group will say "well we always had that" but the fact is that they only started teaching different skills when they were made popular by others. Is it a belt factory? Well I dont know about that but I do avoid any style that changes with trends.

[MasterPain]

When Aikido was very popular in the 80's the system undertook a kind of standing Grappling training and then when Aikido died down it took on a more Grab and strike approach. Now that Jiu Jitsu is popular in the modern mentality the group has turned to a lot of ground fighting skills to train.

The group will say "well we always had that" but the fact is that they only started teaching different skills when they were made popular by others. Is it a belt factory? Well I dont know about that but I do avoid any style that changes with trends.

Are they following trends or are they looking for things that work? I don't know anything about Goshin Jutsu. but I do know that smart late-era samurai liked firearms.

[kensei]

Are they following trends or are they looking for things that work? I don't know anything about Goshin Jutsu. but I do know that smart late-era samurai liked firearms.

A great point...but its kind of like the local TKD club...when they first opened in the 80's they were "KOREAN KARATE" and tried to draw in members with that pearl...then when aikido took off with Segal they started teaching "KOREAN AIKIDO" in the form of Hapkido with their Korean Karate....Years later when Judo was more popular here because of the oly's they billed their Hapkido as "KOREAN JUDO" and finally now that MMA is big here they teach...wait for it....."KOREAN MMA".

I kind of think that they are just marketing different and adapting the teaching to capture as many students as they can and most have a three to four year period between complete turn overs in students so they must reinvent themselves.

Sad because we have been teaching the same Kata, Kihon and Kumite since the 80's and nothing has changed...we have a bigger club too!