shaolin kempo Fred Villari 12 degree

[darksoul]

I take that back. Reading the OP again there is clearly a vendetta.

That's pretty much what I thought. He also posted in a thread I started in the Chinese Martial Arts section.

[Zaine]

The post in the other thread is the one that made me look back at this one.

[Gomez77]

When I was a kid I went to a Fred villari's studio of self defense " mc dojo" and had a great teacher named Tom Wilson,, he taught me a lot, I just wish I could remember the katas, and Tom if your out there I apologize for being a pain in the rear,, and thanks a lot for all the training! If he were still in the area I would have went back to him,

[5 claws of fury]

I cant believe there are people who can actually believe the founder of the mc dojo franchise is a legit 12th degree. i studied at a fred villari school and found it to be a joke. the self defense techs were useless and the forms had nothing to do with shoalin. i have trained in shoalin kung fu and the forms were no where near the same. i have been involved in martial arts arts for over 30 years and have earned 2 black belts in two systems and various colored belts in some others.

[5 claws of fury]

Maybe my teacher was the problem and not the art, either way I got a bad taste from my time there.

[5 claws of fury]

I hope the USSD vidoes aren't representative of the whole art, because they weren't that great.

[AngelAriz]

i trained in a SKK school for a while and the self defense stuff was so bad i could not overlook the other issues i had against it..

[AngelAriz]

My other problem was the "secret club" aspect of the seminars and tournaments.

[TRADITIONAL IS DONE]

I cant believe there are people who can actually believe the founder of the mc dojo franchise is a legit 12th degree. i studied at a fred villari school and found it to be a joke. the self defense techs were useless and the forms had nothing to do with shoalin. i have trained in shoalin kung fu and the forms were no where near the same. i have been involved in martial arts arts for over 30 years and have earned 2 black belts in two systems and various colored belts in some others.

I too studied at the Villari school while in high school, and agree that the Villari schools are a joke, and nothing but a money machine for Fred Villari! Of course, after training in boxing, kick boxing and muai thai I found that "most" traditional "styles" are ineffective in actual "full contact" combat anyway... to experience "actual combat" you really have to be willing to "get into the ring"!

[TRADITIONAL IS DONE]

From the wiki page it sounds like 5th was awarded to him and he holds 12th dan in his own system.

I'm unsure of the motivation behind the OP. I think there are some organizational politics here, but maybe I'm misreading. Maybe shoalinninja could explain in more detail.

I'm sorry, but no matter 5th dan or 12th dan traditional martial "arts" are just ineffective in "actual" full contact combat! Good exercise though..........