shaolin kempo Fred Villari 12 degree

[sensei8]

From the wiki page it sounds like 5th was awarded to him and he holds 12th dan in his own system.

I'm unsure of the motivation behind the OP. I think there are some organizational politics here, but maybe I'm misreading. Maybe shoalinninja could explain in more detail.

I'm sorry, but no matter 5th dan or 12th dan traditional martial "arts" are just ineffective in "actual" full contact combat! Good exercise though..........

Welcome to KF; glad that you're here!!

I'm not a subscriber to the thought that's in bold type above because it's unfair to a many styles and their practitioners. Often times the practitioner is ineffective and not the style.

As I'm typing this I'm thinking about a many legendary practitioners like, Kanazawa, Oyama, Nakayama, Parker, Nishiyama, Higaonna, Shimabukuro, and Chow...the list keeps going on and on...and this and those also have students that are to be reckoned, and not ignored.

My own Sensei, Takahashi, was a karateka without resolve!

I respect your opinion, through and through!!

[Judodad_karateson]

I too studied at the Villari school while in high school, and agree that the Villari schools are a joke, and nothing but a money machine for Fred Villari! Of course, after training in boxing, kick boxing and muai thai I found that "most" traditional "styles" are ineffective in actual "full contact" combat anyway... to experience "actual combat" you really have to be willing to "get into the ring"!

I'm done boxing competitively and dabbed in Thia Boxing, but I found Judo and BJJ exp to be just as effective if not more so in actual combat. Sorry your one experience with this known-McDojo has soiled your diaper for traditional arts as a whole, but there is no truth to your claim. I was forced into several scuffles when I was a Paramedic, and Judo was what ended up saving my butt, not boxing.

What exactly is your basis for this claim here?

[vantheman]

Not to resurrect an old thread, but after stumbling around the internet, it would appear that Villari has now attained the rank of FIFTEENTH dan!!!

The only other 15th Dan I've ever heard of was Professor Chow, who appeared to do that as a way of kindly spiting students of his that left his school at first dan and ended up 10th degrees a few years later...