Tuite- more than 140 characters

[MasterPain]

Sorry, bad pun. First off, what is tuite? It's Japanese for "I need something to hit you with, I'll just take your arm, it looks like a good club." The Japanese can fit a lot into a word.

Let me begin with a few problems with tuite.

First, it is often taught as separate techniques rather than as a part of a systematic response pattern. This makes it hard to use against random attacks. To train it live requires people who have spent enough time as uke and tori to understand what is safe, and enough control to not hurt each other. Sadly, this step often never happens.

Also, it is often taught as takedowns and compliance holds, ruining the effectiveness of movements that are meant to be destructions, with no time to defend or fall before the limb is broken. The nature of the proper use of most tuite makes it inappropriate for competition and for what JusticeZero calls a Drunk Uncle Situation. Here is an example of well executed tuite in a place it should never be used. Warning: nasty!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_718dOW09k

It should always be used in conjunction with striking or at least breaking the attackers balance by means of stepping through his center. Often it is not taught this way.

If you notice, my issues are mainly with poor teaching, rather than technical. Although I will say that it is most useful when defending against a weapon, as most of the attackers attention will be on the weapon hand when you seize it.

[MasterPain]

Another thing you see a lot is people trying to catch a punch out of the air, rather than feeding into the capturing hand. Much of this Tallgeese covered in another thread, but I figured why not give tuite in general it's own topic.

[sensei8]

MP,

Everything you've described in your OP as well as in your follow up post about Tuite ISN'T the Shindokan brand of Tuite; never has been and never will be!!

I've spoken about our brand of Tuite ever since I've been a KF member, and in that, I'm very confident about our brand of Tuite as taught to us by our Soke and Dai-Soke.

Brian's the only KF member here that's tasted our brand of Tuite, even though it was only a small taste, and as I'm always saying, our brand of Tuite is best understood by experiencing it for oneself. In that, safety is paramount with the teaching of our brand without losing any of its value, first for the safety of our students, and secondly for the brand of our Tuite; it's solid across the board!!

Unfortunately, our given venue here at KF doesn't truly allow me to give our brand its due just in the written word(s).

[MasterPain]

This stuff is some of my favorite parts of the arts. I wish there were more like you to preserve it.

[sensei8]

This stuff is some of my favorite parts of the arts. I wish there were more like you to preserve it.

Thanks MP!! Students of the MA and Tuite deserve it.

[sensei8]

An invaluable tool that we use with Tuite is the wooden dummy, one's that are more often associated with Wing Chun.

For us, the tool allows us to learn close up transitions and the like within the various area's of the wooden dummy.

Checks, switches, traps, slips, to just name a few, helps us at every level. Footwork is essential with the wooden dummy, otherwise, one's just banging on wood without producing any fruition.

I can't see our brand of Tuite without the aide of the wooden dummy.

[MasterPain]

I've not worked with the wooden dummy before. Looks like fun though.

[sensei8]

I've not worked with the wooden dummy before. Looks like fun though.

It's a blast.

[bushido_man96]

I agree with your sentiments, MasterPain. In Combat Hapkido, there is almost always a strike of some kind performed before a lock or manipulation goes into play. Its called a "distraction" technique, but I prefer to refer to it as a destruction technique, as to me, it doesn't make sense to just barely tap someone in order to facilitate another technique. Hit them hard, then facilitate the technique. In CH, we also work a trapping system that does that "feeding" you mentioned. We don't trap for the sake of trapping, and they system is not complex; its another tool to get the job done.

With Bob's Shindokan Tuite, I found myself attempting to defend strikes, at which point I would find myself getting wrapped up and tossed aside.

[Drew]

Here is an example of well executed tuite in a place it should never be used. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_718dOW09k

Somehow I knew that the link was to that fight before I even clicked on it.

By the way, if you are interested in that sort of thing and want to expand your system a bit, you might check out the unarmored wrestling portion of Sigmund Ringeck's works.

Most if not all of Talhoffers books have pictures so you might like that too, the dagger stuff is pretty sweet. http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Hans_Talhoffer/K%C3%B6nigsegg