Wastelander Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Good on you for your first break!I enjoy breaking boards, although I do not do it very often--maybe once every couple of years. My biggest problem is that I am a bit of a wimp when it comes to pain, so I can elbow, punch or chop through two boards, but I can hammerfist through three or palm heel through four, and I feel like I could probably palm heel through five if I really tried. Bony parts hitting wood doesn't feel terribly pleasant .Interestingly enough, I've never been able to break a board with a kick, unless you count stomps, despite being a hard kicker. Kishimoto-Di | 2014-Present | Sensei: Ulf KarlssonShorin-Ryu/Shinkoten Karate | 2010-Present: Yondan, Renshi | Sensei: Richard Poage (RIP), Jeff Allred (RIP)Shuri-Ryu | 2006-2010: Sankyu | Sensei: Joey Johnston, Joe Walker (RIP)Judo | 2007-2010: Gokyu | Sensei: Joe Walker (RIP), Ramon Rivera (RIP), Adrian RiveraIllinois Practical Karate | International Neoclassical Karate Kobudo Society
JusticeZero Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 How are you defining "hard"? There are two mostly different kinds of force determining how "hard" a strike is, and board breaking is only affected by one of them. If you kick "hard - I push the bag all over the room, and I launch people out of the ring", then you aren't doing anything to help the one that breaks boards. "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia
Wastelander Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 How are you defining "hard"? There are two mostly different kinds of force determining how "hard" a strike is, and board breaking is only affected by one of them. If you kick "hard - I push the bag all over the room, and I launch people out of the ring", then you aren't doing anything to help the one that breaks boards.The way that I kick hard isn't conducive to breaking boards either way--I can't pull my toes back far enough to kick boards with the ball of my foot, my instep/shin is not an ideal striking surface for hitting boards with, and my side kick is too slow Kishimoto-Di | 2014-Present | Sensei: Ulf KarlssonShorin-Ryu/Shinkoten Karate | 2010-Present: Yondan, Renshi | Sensei: Richard Poage (RIP), Jeff Allred (RIP)Shuri-Ryu | 2006-2010: Sankyu | Sensei: Joey Johnston, Joe Walker (RIP)Judo | 2007-2010: Gokyu | Sensei: Joe Walker (RIP), Ramon Rivera (RIP), Adrian RiveraIllinois Practical Karate | International Neoclassical Karate Kobudo Society
JusticeZero Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 How do you view the application of your kicks, then? Boards are a proxy for bones on a live target for application of peak impulse based strikes. "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia
Dobbersky Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 How do you view the application of your kicks, then? Boards are a proxy for bones on a live target for application of peak impulse based strikes.Agreed, hence why baseball bats and pool cues are better as I've never hit a flat square bone before, the ribcage is close but ..... "Challenge is a Dragon with a Gift in its mouth....Tame the Dragon and the Gift is Yours....." Noela Evans (author)
Wastelander Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 I can do snapping kicks to the knee and lower that I suspect could break boards and, in theory, bones. I haven't quite worked up the nerve to try kicking through a pool cue (though I think I could do it) or a baseball bat (I get visions of breaking my shin on that one) as Dobbersky suggests. I have broken plenty of boards and tree branches with stomps from various angles, though.As far as how I view the application of kicks, it depends. For self defense I am confident that the snapping kicks to the lower legs that I can do would be effective, although it is difficult to know for certain until I go ahead and start breaking baseball bats or people's legs, and I won't have many training partners left if I choose the most "realistic" option . For combat sport applications I mostly use my kicks to maintain distance (thrust kicks) or deal soft-tissue damage to the legs and body (roundhouse and hook kicks). Very rarely do I kick to the head and I try not to take the Muay Thai approach of kicking through people's arms, so I'm not generally intending to do any damage to bones. I will admit, however, that for the past 9 months, or so, I have been using a low oblique heel kick to the shin in sparring, so I guess that's kind of doing damage to bones, in a way. Kishimoto-Di | 2014-Present | Sensei: Ulf KarlssonShorin-Ryu/Shinkoten Karate | 2010-Present: Yondan, Renshi | Sensei: Richard Poage (RIP), Jeff Allred (RIP)Shuri-Ryu | 2006-2010: Sankyu | Sensei: Joey Johnston, Joe Walker (RIP)Judo | 2007-2010: Gokyu | Sensei: Joe Walker (RIP), Ramon Rivera (RIP), Adrian RiveraIllinois Practical Karate | International Neoclassical Karate Kobudo Society
JusticeZero Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Maybe you can do some breaking with the boards being located at the low target levels you are favoring, then? "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia
DWx Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 Congrats on your first board breaks PaulS. I love breaking Just the feeling of smashing things up "Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it." ~ Confucius
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