Groinstrike Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 By bread and butter im assuming you mean things you do that you don't realize you are doing until you do them???Overhand right screw kick to the groinBody lock takedownsArm triangle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha One Four Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 I have an unbelievable skill that allows me to read books. My Shorin-Ryu Master has also done homework on what the Okinawans didn`t want to teach the Japanese. As far as Kalaripayattu and Gunfu, all you need to do is break down the science of what we know eand then you can see what made them effective. The truth is, everyone who knew the original stuff has long since passed. I believe all the information is in the physics. Its not difficult to figure out.So after just a few short years of training, you honestly feel you have exhausted the systems you are learning to the point where the only way to further yourself is the creation of a new martial system? And I personally do not believe someone with just one year of karate training would have the knowledge and capacity to fully understand karate and be able to pass it on in that extremely short period. There are some other posters on here who have probably been training in different systems longer than you have been alive that have still not yet exhausted what their systems has to offer. Is it really out of necessity, or if after taking a good hard look at it is it more of an ego thing?I have learned every technique and all but three kata. I have light aspergers, and I retain information well. I sometimes get distracted in large competitions, but what can you do? So, naturally there are millions of combinations which I can still learn BUT the techniques are wrong in the first place. Angles, positions, movements, and targets need to be changed entirely in some cases. That is my necessity. To bushidoman, the main thing the okinawans didn't teach was the twisting for power in your attacks. That extra thrust, most importantly in the side kick, adds a heck of a lot more power. This is actually shown in Karate Kid part 2. It just never explains it. "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." -Aristotle"It's not about who's right, but who's left" -Ed Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 To bushidoman, the main thing the okinawans didn't teach was the twisting for power in your attacks. That extra thrust, most importantly in the side kick, adds a heck of a lot more power. This is actually shown in Karate Kid part 2. It just never explains it.Ok. Is this really documented somewhere? I've been twisting in my techniques for quite some time, especially on the side kicks. Is this something that is seen in Shito-Ryu or Goju Ryu that isn't seen in Shotokan? I could be missing it entirely, but I don't really see what you are saying here. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWx Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I have learned every technique and all but three kata. I have light aspergers, and I retain information well. I sometimes get distracted in large competitions, but what can you do? So, naturally there are millions of combinations which I can still learn BUT the techniques are wrong in the first place. Angles, positions, movements, and targets need to be changed entirely in some cases. That is my necessity. With respect, you might have been shown all the techniques your style has to offer be that doesn't mean your ready to write them off as learnt. Information is one thing, but thoroughly understanding them and refining them to a point where you have truly learnt them takes years. Forgive me for saying this, but how can you, with relatively few years of training (in the grand scheme of things) know that these techniques are wrong in the first place? To bushidoman, the main thing the okinawans didn't teach was the twisting for power in your attacks. That extra thrust, most importantly in the side kick, adds a heck of a lot more power. This is actually shown in Karate Kid part 2. It just never explains it.Can you explain the twisting more? I'm just curious. Twisting of the hip or twisting of the technique? If you're talking about twisting the attacking tool itself, that's hardly something that was lost. Plenty of styled do that; in fact it a core principle of the Taekwon Do I do. Heck, if it's there is the Karate Kid, it's not information that needs to be dug up as such, you just have to start incorporating it into your training. "Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it." ~ Confucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeZero Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Right, martial arts is one of the things that has to be learned intensively rather than extensively. You can spend years refining the use of a single movement, and still not have everything in it. "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I have learned every technique and all but three kata. I have light aspergers, and I retain information well. I sometimes get distracted in large competitions, but what can you do? So, naturally there are millions of combinations which I can still learn BUT the techniques are wrong in the first place. Angles, positions, movements, and targets need to be changed entirely in some cases. That is my necessity.The late Sosai Oyama once said if you have trained a technique 1000 times then you are still learning. Once you have trained it 10,000 times you can say you know the technique. But to truly own the technique you need to train it 100,000 times. Even if you train every technique 100 times per day (which would take hours a day) it would still take almost 3 years to truly own a technique. Technique collection isn't mastery either. Techniques are specific and limited. It's the PRINCIPLES behind the technique that matter. If you don't understand the principles you don't understand the technique.To bushidoman, the main thing the okinawans didn't teach was the twisting for power in your attacks. That extra thrust, most importantly in the side kick, adds a heck of a lot more power. This is actually shown in Karate Kid part 2. It just never explains it.Care to explain more? Because what it sounds like you're describing is actually widely taught in karate as one of its fundamental principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamesu Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Technique collection isn't mastery either. Techniques are specific and limited. It's the PRINCIPLES behind the technique that matter. If you don't understand the principles you don't understand the technique.Solid. "We did not inherit this earth from our parents. We are borrowing it from our children." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha One Four Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 Most of you just want to tear me down and discredit my MA when really you don't have any idea what is going on. Thanks to everyone who actually answered my thread questions. I'm tired of arguing. "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." -Aristotle"It's not about who's right, but who's left" -Ed Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeZero Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Honestly, I don't know much of anything about your martial art. I know some of the features of successful new arts, and some features of martial arts that do not succeed in doing anything but making the founder feel important while communicating the opposite to the rest of the martial arts world. Since the latter tends to be a dead end in more ways than one, we don't want anyone to go stumbling down that path without understanding just what they are going to be dealing with. I'd say that the questions that have been asked are on the gentle side of the questions that an art founder will be getting asked for the rest of their life. "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Justice is right on. Its not about tearing you down. In fact, everyone is being fairly polite in the questions being posed. They are legitimate questions as to why. Like I said earlier, I won't tell you not to start up your own style, because Martial Arts are about evolution, and evolution can't happen without new ideas and approaches. I think what is important to look at is if you are doing something that really requires a whole new "style," or if its something that can be accomplished in a current style, and is more of a modification of in a teaching method and classroom focus. But who knows, maybe in time it will come into something that becomes more of its own style.I wish you luck. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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