Where's the Capoeira at?

[JusticeZero]

Sure thing. That kick is very much a standard go-to kick for us, but part of what makes it work for us is the fact that the set-up for it is identical to a lot of other movements we make, and we spend a lot of time getting familiar with moving down there and can change it up in mid-kick. If the entrada were remarkable, it would be a lot more telegraphic, but the same movement is used all the time for defense or positioning or for other kicks, some of which go the opposite direction.

[bushido_man96]

Some random Youtube video on the subject.

This helped a lot. I was placing my hands wrong; I was not going between my legs with the one hand, which made things funky. Now I see how that momentum gets built.

Now maybe I can try it with more success.

[cheesefrysamurai]

My 2 cents, this system is born the same way Karate Do was. Citizens, farmers and such were disarmed, and trained with the only weapons they could get their hands on, for some it was empty hand and foot, for others it was cranks to machines(tonfas) and kama which originated as sickles for harvesting rice.

Its effective as others. No art is ideal in all situations.

Its not for me. I am not near athletically or gymnastically gifted.

My limbs aren't exactly long, and i can't do handstands. i need to get in close and unload.

[JusticeZero]

My limbs are pretty short, i'm not amazingly athletic, and I rarely see a need to use a handstand.. and i'm teaching. It's not so stereotypical as that.

As for a synonymous history? The creators were not citizens or feudal farmers, and they had some formal martial skills at the start to work from. So not exactly the same.

[cheesefrysamurai]

No 2 things are ever the same, the point I was trying to make is that the roots are similar. The Japanese and Okinawans also had a marital art to start from. There is a long tradition of martial arts in Okinawa as well as mainland Japan.

I never really saw "true" capoiera in action. I watched a video from a school in NYC, it looked cool but didnt look like what you are desribe. Can you show me a youtube video of what you consider the proper system

Osensei Morehei Ueshiba practiced and performed until very late in life and as an old man, he was effective.

My limbs are pretty short, i'm not amazingly athletic, and I rarely see a need to use a handstand.. and i'm teaching. It's not so stereotypical as that.

As for a synonymous history? The creators were not citizens or feudal farmers, and they had some formal martial skills at the start to work from. So not exactly the same.

[JusticeZero]

<- guy in white shirt is in my lineage, i've played with him before.

<- more from the same guy

<- high level game. My GM wears the hat. Both were dealing with injuries at the time, I think, but I can't be certain.

<- remains my favorite clip; lots of variety and the flow is good.

I don't get into arguments of "true". That's more than a little bit like arguing whether Goju-ryu is more "true" than Shotokan. I speak to what i'm trained in.

[cheesefrysamurai]

I didn't mean true in that sense. I meant true as in a example of properly executed technique. I wouldn't consider one form of karate more true then another. They all have similar roots, some systematized earlier, some later, with varying influences. I know Goju has significant Chinese influence.

What I have seen of Capoiera wasn't quite like that. Some similar moments and big fancy kicks.

In the examples you show, there is a lot more finesse. It doesnt seem as much about the big kicks but more about the way they fit together. An inferior player probably can't even get off an effective technique if they are being supressed.

The examples of what i have seen before did not properly illustrate the chess match that goes on

[Tempest]

You kniow, viewing those clips was a clear demonstration of why several high level BJJ players, that make clips on the internet, and even one brazillian Judo player that I train with will credit the influence of Capoeira on their game. Really smoothe stuff.