Smith amp Wesson Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 I don't agree with any of em. And did you call Karl Marx a great thinker ??? If your lookin for truth.Your not gonna find it in a philosphy that is spirtual.Or Mystical. If your lookin for help in the way you feel about things, Religion can be a great aid. Here's 2 tenants to help with your thinkin 1 Truth is defined as the recognition of reality. 2 A contridiction can't exist. Good luck with your search for what is real.Went through it myself till I was 27.Lotta mind poison out there & alot you've already been poisoned with.Get it flushed out & you'll be able to say what is right & what is wrong.
Maestro Posted March 19, 2003 Posted March 19, 2003 From my viewpoint, religion, faith, and spirituality are fundamentally different things, but I think many people group them together, and so end up confused about what they're really looking for. To me, religion is an organization, a defined set of beliefs. Your faith is simply whatever you believe in. Spirituality is harder to explain, but it's kind of how you take your faith and integrate it into your life. I think most people who think they are looking for religion are really looking for faith, and that many people who are having trouble with faith are really having trouble with their spirituality. Along those lines, I'm an athiest, but I still consider myself a faithful and spiritual person. To many people this seems weird, but I don't think it's so strange. While I do not believe in God, I hold stronge beliefs in other things that to many people are just abstract concepts, but are much more to me--things like friendship and love and good. I spend a good deal of time reflecting on life and what it means to me, and for me that is spirituality. A more temporal spirituality, but spirituality nonetheless. A contradiction can exist, and now one does. Not everything is right and wrong. The religion for you is the one that works for you, it doesn't matter who's right or who contradicts whom. Might as well take my advice--I don't use it anymore.
Smith amp Wesson Posted March 19, 2003 Posted March 19, 2003 The only thing i've seen that appears to be a contradiction is the way light behaves.But nobodys sure what it is so you can't say it's a contradiction yet. But if a contradiction can exist, all bets are off.Anything could happen.You could get something from nuthin & wouldn't be able to predict the simplist of things. Only in concepts can contradictions happen.But concepts don't really exist like objects do. Good & bad are concepts.You can't take good & put it in a box for example.So it dosent exist.Math we use all the time & it's a great tool but does it exist ????No because it's a concept.It relies on something to exist.It dosen't exist on it's own.Can you put math in a box ???? Our language,our government,alot of who & what we are are concepts.Thats why we have so many ishu's.Real objects though don't have Ishu's.Despite our concepts, when it comes down to our atoms interacting with other atoms, contradictions can't & don't exist.
Maestro Posted March 19, 2003 Posted March 19, 2003 Ok sure, but this is a thread about religion, not objects and physics, so I don't see how the behaviours of concrete objects is of any import, 'cause religion isn't about that. It is all about concepts and the abstract. The very fact that we are disagreeing shows that contradictions can exist, that was my point, becuase that's what religion is--a group of people with certain views, very often disagreeing with people of other views. If someone is looking for religion, then I don't think they need to be going around analyzing everyone's views trying to determine who contradicts whom, and then who's right. It's not about who's right. Might as well take my advice--I don't use it anymore.
Smith amp Wesson Posted March 20, 2003 Posted March 20, 2003 No more from me (on this site) about this kinda stuff Good luck
theswarm Posted April 3, 2003 Posted April 3, 2003 good and evil is determined by society's norms but if every individual views something somewhat differnetly then how can it be determined collectively? I don't believe in a greater being, if a greater being created the universe then what the hell was the greater being doing before they created the universe. Where did HE/SHE/IT/THEY come from? Religion is a system of ideas and morals set in stone, religion is generally always based upon the same principles of altruism, child rearing, community etc. I do believe that a human being should never be forced into a religion, by forced I am also talking about given something from birth, in a vulnerable stage of your life. I disagree that religion is necessarily the opiate of the masses, how can we expect people to find themselves when from birth they're always told the standards and ideals they have to conform to. The only thing that caused me to renounce the religion given to me from birth was simple curioisity, a damn lot of thought, etc. What makes you be Christian rather than Buddhist? or Buddhist rather than Muslim? There is the same amount of evidence supporting any of these religions, but they're all claiming to be the right one, and they're all full of failsafes....more so in christianity and islam that discourage questioning the religion. Anyway I mean no disrespect to those who choose religion, I'm just posing some questions - after all it's your life and your choice and I respect that as I feel my choice and my life should be respected.
CheekyMusician Posted April 11, 2003 Posted April 11, 2003 Religion is very personal and very subjective. Many people seem to view organised religion as a bad thing. They view it as brainwashing, or hypocritical etc.etc. I'm religious and have been brought up as a Christian, and the way I see it, religion is like many things in life. Its kind of like martial arts in a way. There's many different styles of martial arts out there that do things in their own way, believe different things. If you're brought up in one then you'll probably stick with that all your life, although there is a chance you could fall away from martial arts completely, or there's a chance that you'll be attracted to another art. At first you'll take everything you're told about that art to heart. You'll try and emulate your teachers and do things the way they do it. You wont question much. You'll just accept. Once you become more comfortable within your art you'll start to question it, discard what doesn't seem to make sense, start to grow and learn more about it. Religion is similar and everyone is different. In my opinion, though, religion is simply a set of beliefs in a higher being or higher spirituality. Smile. It makes people wonder what you've been up to.
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