is it worth to train in goju ryu,since my dream is to do....

[judobrah]

I trained in Wado Ryu for 4 years because I couldn't find a Goju Ryu dojo. I'm actually happy I did as its had massive impact my Ashihara karate.

Goju is definitely a good style to practice

i am not saying goju ryu isnt a good style,but the way that will be taught to me wont be the best(no pads,sparring,so pretty much just drills with litle resistance,kicking and punching the air and some condition exercices)

so thats why i am not shure if it will be worth it,because i wont learn to aply any of those tecnhiques,i can only hope to learn some aplications and improve my kicks,but not much else,so i am not shure the time and money will be worth it

i can deal with the fact that whe wont do any sparring,but i would at least want some pad training(wich whe wont have),whe will just do katas and self defense drills all day,i dont think this will make me a much better at kyokushin when i start doing it,just not shure if it is worth the money you know?

last time that i did some shito ryu with this same instructor,it was the biggest waste of money ever,all whe did the intire classes were just a lot of katas and a couple of self defense drills with no resistance(well,there was just me and 10 year old kids,so i cant blame him)

i think goju ryu,shito ryu are all great styles

but i am worried abut the way they will be taught

cheers

[Harkon72]

You are right to be concerned, a good teacher is worth their weight in gold.

[Dobbersky]

You are right to be concerned, a good teacher is worth their weight in gold.

Totally agree, solid post

[judobrah]

You are right to be concerned, a good teacher is worth their weight in gold.

yeah,hes not that bad,but i think his ideia of contact was a litle bit messed up,since when i asked him if he knowed some place with real contact,he said i should try aikido

(they dont do any sparring,like any other aikido dojo,its the whole thing of grab my wrist ,not that i dont think they go rough,one of this litle kids who did aikido went to our judo place,and his father got upset at my judo teacher,because there was to "much contact",one of the black belts i got the chance to talk to,got to 1dan in 3 years,and the guy was very arrogant when talking about martial arts,he said to me that i should give up because martial arts arent for everyone,because i was trying a lot of different places too se what i liked,this is the same guy that when asked about exercising said to me that since i am young i was still in time to change my genetics )

so yeah,i think his ideia of "contact" might be a litle bit messed off

since i am looking for something like kyokushin,there will be more then one teacher in the place i think,but i am not shure

so yeah,i have legit reasons to be concerned

its still money,and my famaly isnt exactly rich,even too it isnt that expensive,its still time,that can be wasted very easly

thanks for the answers

[evergrey]

Yeah... no contact, no pad work or bag work?

Well, here's how I'd look at it. Decide if it is worth the money. Kihon is an important foundation for kumite. If the form of the other students looks good, you would at least learn to flow with the movements of basic punches and kicks. You could think of it as pre-training practice I suppose.

Kyokushin also involves a lot of drills and practicing basics, as there's no shortcut or way around learning the basics.

The thought of no contact (does he really think "contact" in a stand-up style just means touching?) is pretty alien to me as a Kyokushin karateka, but at the same time I do plenty of practicing by myself, punching and kicking the air, heh.

So it could give you a little bit of a leg up until you can get to a Kyokushin dojo, and it would be good exercise, working the muscles that you would use in kumite, in the way that you would use them, if that makes sense.

Also I suggest looking into a bit of weight training. :}

OSU!

[judobrah]

Yeah... no contact, no pad work or bag work?

Well, here's how I'd look at it. Decide if it is worth the money. Kihon is an important foundation for kumite. If the form of the other students looks good, you would at least learn to flow with the movements of basic punches and kicks. You could think of it as pre-training practice I suppose.

Kyokushin also involves a lot of drills and practicing basics, as there's no shortcut or way around learning the basics.

The thought of no contact (does he really think "contact" in a stand-up style just means touching?) is pretty alien to me as a Kyokushin karateka, but at the same time I do plenty of practicing by myself, punching and kicking the air, heh.

So it could give you a little bit of a leg up until you can get to a Kyokushin dojo, and it would be good exercise, working the muscles that you would use in kumite, in the way that you would use them, if that makes sense.

Also I suggest looking into a bit of weight training. :}

OSU!

yeah i have been training my body(with weights has well,among many other things),for almost 3 years,if there is one thing that i dont need to worry about is my strenght or condition(my cardio is not that good now,but its still decent,mostly because all the months that i spent doing some very hard training cardio wise),mentally i am very well prepared,even too in am still quite young

and yeah,thats what i am worried about,i understand what you mean,i know that kyokushin karatecas are among the toughest stand up figthers in the world,so its obvious that they do lots of sparring

i asked if he knew some place/dojo with contact like kyokushin,and he said try doing aikido,because they have a lot of contact,he then said that he had troubles moving his shoulder for 2 weeks

i guess for being put in some joint locks or being throw?

but yeah,the dude then said that if what i really want is fighting i should do kickboxing(he had said to me before,he didnt like doing it,because there was to much condition work)

so yeah man,thats what i meant,i know what to except

it will be

-no contact,wich means no sparring

-no pad work,or heavy bag work

-problably lots of katas and drills

thanks for answering,if i had the honor to train with you guys,you could except 100% dedication from me,i would do anything a kyokushin sensei would ask me to do,pain is irrevelant

thanks for your answer

[evergrey]

Well I have known some old school Aikidoka who were quite tough. It has a VERY steep learning curve, however, and is not a striking art.

Kickboxing is fine, though it sounds like the local place is kind of scammy and traps people in contracts? that's no good.

There's still basics, which are valuable to learn, if this Sensei is a good teacher. :}

I do appreciate the sentiment! But I should mention- pain isn't irrelevant when it involves actual injury! We're uh... most of us at my dojo are guilty of working and training when we shouldn't, but long term it is NOT worth it to have an injury become chronic! So listen to your body. If it is simply pain, then yes, focus through it. If it is DAMAGE, stop, and rehabilitate.

I do hope that some day you can find the Kyokushin (or related style) family that is great for you. Always remember what my Shihan once told me, "respect is a two way street. In order for you to respect me, I must also respect you." Be sure that whomever you end up with respects you, and that you can trust one another. Mine yells and me and chews me out a lot, but he also does respect me.

OSU!

[judobrah]

yeah thanks man

i will bump this thread after i go to the class

thanks everyone

[judobrah]

yeah am going to do it,it seems they have a strong enphasis on condition,wich i think its a good thing,i dont think whe will spar or have that much contact,but i think its worth learning the art,the teacher makes us train with some decent intensity

whe did a lot of condition work,mixed with blocks,defensive drills and a couple of punches and kicks

i guess i will just suplement the training with some good heavy bag and pad training on my own

my dream still his to train kyokushin,but the place isnt to bad,i have more on wensday

thanks everyone

osu!

[evergrey]

OSU! There you go!

My suggestions- make absolutely certain you have your wrist straight while punching, and that your elbows aren't winging out, when you're hitting the bag. I use MMA gloves when I hit the bag a lot, because otherwise I start to lose the skin from my punching knuckles... or I used to. I think they are probably fine now, hah! Start light, and over the weeks gradually go harder. The reason for this is simple- you are not just learning to hit well, you are also conditioning and strengthening your wrists and arms. To not injure yourself, you want to take your time conditioning them to get them used to the impact. It's a different kind of strengthening.

Do push-ups. Lots of push-ups. Not normal military style, but knuckle push-ups. Have your hands shoulder-width apart, not really any wider. When you go down, keep your ELBOWS IN so they brush across your ribs. If you can, touch your nose to the floor and come back up. Make sure your back and legs are straight the entire time, with your head looking down. No bowing or arching your back, no sticking your behind up in the air! Instead of having your palms flat, make fists, and rest them on the ground on the points of your two punching knuckles, as seen on this picture of my Sensei's hand next to my hand.

http://www.niceboots.org/~evergrey/Kyokushin/knuckles.jpg

(It's the red knuckles, lol)

This will not only help with your punching muscles, but it will ALSO strengthen your wrists.