darksoul Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 To me there is absolutely nothing wrong with preventing someone from drinking. Obviously you don't let them get to a point of dehydration where they pass out, but the stress of slight dehydration does make the body and spirit stronger. I guess I'm old school that way? I tell my students to drink water before coming to class and after the class. I generally don't let them drink during. Shodan - Shaolin Kempo███████████████▌█
Ascalon Posted August 24, 2012 Author Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) In a warm dojo wearing a heavyweight dobok, I will drop upwards of 2kg during a 2hr session. This means I need to drink 2L over that period. You cannot consume that amount of liquid in one or even two breaks whilst exercising. It needs to be ingested slowly over the entire period.I understand the wish to not break up training excessively, but not keeping properly hydrated is a recipe for cramping and injury. Excessively restricting people's ability to ingest water during a session for vague reasons like 'discipline' and 'spirit' is rubbish. It's not a luxury, it's a necessity. Even when I was doing basic and field exercises, as hard as they pushed us the one thing we were never denied was as much water as we needed. Edited August 24, 2012 by Ascalon
darksoul Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 In a warm dojo wearing a heavyweight dobok, I will drop upwards of 2kg during a 2hr session. This means I need to drink 2L over that period. Not keeping properly hydrated is a recipe for cramping and injury. Restricting people's ability to ingest water during a session for vague reasons like 'discipline' and 'spirit' is rubbish. It's not a luxury, it's a necessity. Even when I was doing basic and field exercises, as hard as they pushed us the one thing we were never denied was as much water as we needed.I wear a 14oz gi and the dojo is warm. We get to drink, but we don't get to drink whenever we want to. Just going to drink whenever isn't the proper way either in my opinion. Shodan - Shaolin Kempo███████████████▌█
Ascalon Posted August 24, 2012 Author Posted August 24, 2012 I wear a 14oz gi and the dojo is warm. We get to drink, but we don't get to drink whenever we want to. Just going to drink whenever isn't the proper way either in my opinion.If you finish a session and you weigh less than you did when you started, you are dehydrated. That may be fine for you but due to a history of injuries I prefer to ensure I have a healthy fluid intake.Students should be permitted to consume water at any time that it does not disrupt the class. There are plenty of natural breaks in training where a quick swig is achievable. Instructors who only allow water to be consumed during specified breaks every half hour or hour are doing the health of their students a disservice. No other sport puts such restrictions on its participants, and we work just as hard as anyone.
DoctorQui Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 I wear a 14oz gi and the dojo is warm. We get to drink, but we don't get to drink whenever we want to. Just going to drink whenever isn't the proper way either in my opinion.If you finish a session and you weigh less than you did when you started, you are dehydrated. That may be fine for you but due to a history of injuries I prefer to ensure I have a healthy fluid intake.Students should be permitted to consume water at any time that it does not disrupt the class. There are plenty of natural breaks in training where a quick swig is achievable. Instructors who only allow water to be consumed during specified breaks every half hour or hour are doing the health of their students a disservice. No other sport puts such restrictions on its participants, and we work just as hard as anyone.Thats the way its been for many many years. Some allow drinking in the Dojo some don't. Mine doesn't, yes I get thirsty but I just have to wait for the end of the session.
evergrey Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 It can get to 100 degrees in the dojo at times, maybe even more. Heat exhaustion and even heat stroke are a real danger. We have had someone pass out and hit their head before... not worth the risk, imo. Sometimes people have to wait to go get water for the end of an exercise, but they generally don't have to wait long.If someone starts to get dizzy or seriously overwhelmed, they are to sit on the floor immediately, not wait to ask permission. At my dojo people tend to only ask or sit down if they really feel that they need to. I haven't seen it abused, except by one particularly lazy kid, and they were onto him very quickly. http://kyokushinchick.blogspot.com/"If you can fatally judo-chop a bull, you can sit however you want." -MasterPain, on why Mas Oyama had Kyokushin karateka sit in seiza with their clenched fists on their thighs.
shinka Posted August 25, 2012 Posted August 25, 2012 At my dojang...and all the other schools I've trained before...We were never allowed to drink during the class..unless you pass out or glycemic problem etc.... oviouslyWe could before and after for sure... I think it's like many said before me... Just a question of respect.STILL...Some school have different rules and it's perfectly fine. We just have to deal with the rules of our dojo(dojang) etc... I even saw once on a video...A master chewing his gum on the mat.I WOULD GET KILLED FOR THAT! Knowing others is intelligence, knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength, mastering yourself is true power.
sensei8 Posted August 25, 2012 Posted August 25, 2012 The plethora of Japanese terminologies are important, but not as important as these two..Hajime (ha-gee-may) = BEGIN Yame (yah-may) = STOPRecognize these two quickly; they can save you from a lot of unpleasant things within any dojo. **Proof is on the floor!!!
DoctorQui Posted August 25, 2012 Posted August 25, 2012 The plethora of Japanese terminologies are important, but not as important as these two..Hajime (ha-gee-may) = BEGIN Yame (yah-may) = STOPRecognize these two quickly; they can save you from a lot of unpleasant things within any dojo. Solid post!
Harkon72 Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Our Dojo can be very warm, it is not very traditional compared to many.I wear a 14oz Gi, but it has been known that our Sensei will allow a T shirt to be worn in summer. Sensei always instructs us to drink plenty of water, but only on his word. YAME! is the most important command to halt technique as it could signal an emergency or serious injury. Our classes are in English, and Welsh, instruction to the higher grades is always in Japanese. Look to the far mountain and see all.
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