Wushu and Qin Na - practical?

[Saie]

Is Contemporary Wushu any practical for Self Defense?

The school also teaches San shou kickboxing and Qin Na.

Having a hard time choosing between Ueshiro Shorin Ryu, Wushu/Sanshou, or MMA.

I'm not looking for really effective arts in terms of street fighting, because I don't believe in any confrontation needing take place on the street. However, if ever confronted I'd like a quick finish/self defense to take care of it.

So in summary, (though they're hardly relatable,)

Wushu or MMA?

[MasterPain]

If they teach San Shou, it has some practical application. Kickboxing with throws, how can you go wrong? Qin Na is a broad term, but some aspects of it will be practical. The San Shou makes me think the school has some concept of reality.

[Saie]

If they teach San Shou, it has some practical application. Kickboxing with throws, how can you go wrong? Qin Na is a broad term, but some aspects of it will be practical. The San Shou makes me think the school has some concept of reality.

The head instructor teaches Law Enforcement and other courses for civilians close quarters combat, San Shou Kickboxing and Chinese ground fighting along with Qin Na, alongside Wushu.

So would this class be useful? It seems good, http://www.cmai-va.com/Virginia-Kung-Fu-adults.html

[KALIPUTRA]

Wushu and Chi na are both very effective important to remember that to truly ascend the limitations of modern martial artists what is commonly regarded as practical should literally be thrown out the window.

The locks in Chi na are in my opinion more effective than BJJ if taught properly. And Wushu in general (once again dependant on instructor) can be devastating.

[guird]

The performance based sport wushu doesn't seem practical to me at all, though it probably does wonders for your balance and flexibility (and the performance value is a plus if you're the kind that likes the stage). If they teach sanshou, then going to that will give you pretty solid fighting knowledge. no-nonsense kickboxing with takedowns.

The qi na seems like a great addition as well, being able to fight on the ground is important, and added to sanshou will make you a complete fighter.

I don't know much about Ueshiro shorin-ryu.

MMA is always a good reliable option when in doubt. It'll give you the same skills as sanshou+qi na, though it may devote more time to putting it all together.

Have you visited all the schools? style is usually a very minor factor, which school seems better? which one did you enjoy training at the most?

[KALIPUTRA]

In all honesty Il admit MMA in SA is leagues behind MMA in the US but so my criticism of MMA should probably not be as general as it is.

One MMA club in SA impressed me that being The Gorgeouss boys house. One of their coaches Ryan Hassan has a background in Wingchun and certain other chinese martial arts and therefore was able to counter any bjj lock he was put into.

I Must however state with all due respect that I Fee Sanshou if practiced in the traditional sense ie less (just kickboxing) is as you say very effective but modern takes on it impress me very little.

I am hosting a tournament on the 19April 2014 at the Morningside Primary School and am inviting variouss clubs to join in, hopefully they all accept and I can prove what I am saying to be true.

I will thank all of you for your much appreciated opinions as it has got me to think more about what was said and be less adamant and arrogant ( even sometimes disrespectful) on certain subjects.

[guird]

In all honesty Il admit MMA in SA is leagues behind MMA in the US but so my criticism of MMA should probably not be as general as it is.

One MMA club in SA impressed me that being The Gorgeouss boys house. One of their coaches Ryan Hassan has a background in Wingchun and certain other chinese martial arts and therefore was able to counter any bjj lock he was put into.

I Must however state with all due respect that I Fee Sanshou if practiced in the traditional sense ie less (just kickboxing) is as you say very effective but modern takes on it impress me very little.

I am hosting a tournament on the 19April 2014 at the Morningside Primary School and am inviting variouss clubs to join in, hopefully they all accept and I can prove what I am saying to be true.

I will thank all of you for your much appreciated opinions as it has got me to think more about what was said and be less adamant and arrogant ( even sometimes disrespectful) on certain subjects.

Which chinese art did he do that had groundwork? Wing chun usually doesn't. Also, why don't you like throws and takedowns in sanshou?

[KALIPUTRA]

All chinese martial arts have good grappling efficacy if practiced properly.

In Ryans case Wingchun coupled with good Chi-na helps him just as it does me to disprove Rickson Gracies assessment that all fights end up on the ground.

I think traditional Jiu Jitsu is far more effective than the modern bjj practiced by mma clubs.

I prefer my chi-na and it served me well til date.

[xinyitaichi]

Is Contemporary Wushu any practical for Self Defense?

The school also teaches San shou kickboxing and Qin Na.

Having a hard time choosing between Ueshiro Shorin Ryu, Wushu/Sanshou, or MMA.

I'm not looking for really effective arts in terms of street fighting, because I don't believe in any confrontation needing take place on the street. However, if ever confronted I'd like a quick finish/self defense to take care of it.

So in summary, (though they're hardly relatable,)

Wushu or MMA?

San Shou (or San Da as it is officially called in China now) has a lot of Chinese Shuai Jiao elements.

The difference between Shuai Jiao and other grappling / wrestling arts is Shuai Jiao requests you to take down an opponent quickly while standing on the ground yourself. This is a very distinct technical feature of Chinese wrestling. It emphasizes great technique, quick move, and decisive win, instead of a drawn-out war of attrition.

There won't be any lengthy BJJ or Judo moments in San Da. In my humble opinion, this is more useful in real life than BJJ. You quickly throw someone onto the ground and walk away safely. How is that?

Qin Na is very useful when you are in a dispute with someone when a lot of grabbing, pushing, struggling is involved. You end up controlling the opponent instead of killing him with excessive force. Chinese law enforcement officers are extensively trained in Qin Na.

[CredoTe]

Is Contemporary Wushu any practical for Self Defense?

The school also teaches San shou kickboxing and Qin Na.

Having a hard time choosing between Ueshiro Shorin Ryu, Wushu/Sanshou, or MMA.

I'm not looking for really effective arts in terms of street fighting, because I don't believe in any confrontation needing take place on the street. However, if ever confronted I'd like a quick finish/self defense to take care of it.

So in summary, (though they're hardly relatable,)

Wushu or MMA?

Ueshiro Shorin-Ryu is an offshoot of Matsubayashi-Ryu (Shorin-Ryu). Ansei Ueshiro was a student of Osensei Nagamine's. Ueshiro was originally sent to the US by Osensei Nagamine to bring Matsubayashi-Ryu to the Americas. Ueshiro split from Osensei Nagamine after a feud, and subsequently started his own organization based in the US.

If you're truly interested in Matsubayashi-Ryu (Shorin-Ryu), I suggest going to https://www.matsubayashi-ryu.com and locating a Nagamine-affiliated dojo near you.

However, if Ueshiro Shorin Ryu is all that's available to you, then here's some info and my 2 cents...

Robert Scaglione is the director of the Ueshiro Shorin-Ryu organization (USRKUSA): https://www.shorinryu.com

In my experience, most of the dojos affiliated with this organization are sport MA based arts, with little or no effective fighting sense. Furthermore, all the dojos I've experienced that are affiliated with this organization are McDojo wannabes. This isn't meant to disparage Ueshiro or Scaglione, and that doesn't mean there aren't dojos out there affiliated with this organization that have effective fighting sense - just in my experience (24+ years worth), I haven't encountered a dojo affiliated with this organization that does.

I'm just doing my best to give you a heads up. Maybe the Ueshiro dojo in your area is a good one, maybe not. If you're interested, best to check it out.