Wastelander Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 Wastelander,My feedback's only intent was to help and not to insult your Oyo in any shape, way, and/or form. It's YOUR Oyo Bunkai, and I respect that. Being you've just started to develop these applications, I know that it's a work in progress. Been there, done that...still!!I know you did not mean to insult me in any way--I didn't take offense, I simply wanted to address the concerns you expressed from my perspective. I know that I am certainly no martial arts expert--6 years in and I'm still very much a novice by comparison to many on the forums!--but I felt it was important to give context to my decision making process in regards to the applications I came up with, that way you all can see what I was thinking and may be able to help me with where I am going wrong (or right).P.S. I would like to add, since you said things like "wouldn't work on me", that I would never presume to be able to make anything work on you! You've been training longer than I've been alive, haven't you? I'm ashamed to have worded it the way in which I did. Possibly I should've said..."Might or might not work on me." I'm assuming a position that I do not possess...unbeatable. Please forgive me for my poor choice of phrases/wordings. Please give me no thoughts at all!! I know that no one is unbeatable, but I rather suspect you would be close to unbeatable for me, haha Kishimoto-Di | 2014-Present | Sensei: Ulf KarlssonShorin-Ryu/Shinkoten Karate | 2010-Present: Yondan, Renshi | Sensei: Richard Poage (RIP), Jeff Allred (RIP)Shuri-Ryu | 2006-2010: Sankyu | Sensei: Joey Johnston, Joe Walker (RIP)Judo | 2007-2010: Gokyu | Sensei: Joe Walker (RIP), Ramon Rivera (RIP), Adrian RiveraIllinois Practical Karate | International Neoclassical Karate Kobudo Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPain Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I like seeing video of these ideas, it's hard to imagine these things from text. "Insert tab A into Slot B" in broken Japanese is too confusing. I think you're onto some good ideas. On the suplex defense, you may want to frame higher on the arm giving a more viable attack, also shoot your hips forward more to help break the grip. Then even if you are taken down, you have a sitout and Peterson roll. My fists bleed death. -Akuma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastelander Posted June 30, 2012 Author Share Posted June 30, 2012 I like seeing video of these ideas, it's hard to imagine these things from text. "Insert tab A into Slot B" in broken Japanese is too confusing. I think you're onto some good ideas. On the suplex defense, you may want to frame higher on the arm giving a more viable attack, also shoot your hips forward more to help break the grip. Then even if you are taken down, you have a sitout and Peterson roll.Thanks for the feedback! I agree that it is definitely difficult to get an idea of what people are thinking for bunkai or drills without video to accompany the descriptions. I will definitely try out your suggestions the next time I'm at the dojo and someone is willing to work with me on them! Kishimoto-Di | 2014-Present | Sensei: Ulf KarlssonShorin-Ryu/Shinkoten Karate | 2010-Present: Yondan, Renshi | Sensei: Richard Poage (RIP), Jeff Allred (RIP)Shuri-Ryu | 2006-2010: Sankyu | Sensei: Joey Johnston, Joe Walker (RIP)Judo | 2007-2010: Gokyu | Sensei: Joe Walker (RIP), Ramon Rivera (RIP), Adrian RiveraIllinois Practical Karate | International Neoclassical Karate Kobudo Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPain Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I couldn't find video of the exact version of the Peterson Roll that I'm talking about. Search it on youtube, and imagine the same movement, but with a deep kimura lock held the whole time. My fists bleed death. -Akuma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPain Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Here are some ideas I had, based on your video. Maybe you'll get something out of them.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtczcSVX5h4 My fists bleed death. -Akuma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastelander Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 Here are some ideas I had, based on your video. Maybe you'll get something out of them.http://www.youtube.com/watch?vkzVtczcSVX5h4Thank you very much! I have done that lock hundreds of times and never saw it in that movement until you demonstrated it--probably because of the exaggerated outward, horizontal arm motion in the kata. Thank you very much for that! I also see what you mean with framing the arm higher (when I initially did it my arm was higher, but when I applied the lock I let it slide down) and shooting the hips forward. I will definitely add these concepts to my practice!This is one of the great things about forums like this--people who are just beginning to explore their arts beyond the basics have people who have been doing it for years/decades available to discuss ideas with, and they will likely all have different perspectives. Kishimoto-Di | 2014-Present | Sensei: Ulf KarlssonShorin-Ryu/Shinkoten Karate | 2010-Present: Yondan, Renshi | Sensei: Richard Poage (RIP), Jeff Allred (RIP)Shuri-Ryu | 2006-2010: Sankyu | Sensei: Joey Johnston, Joe Walker (RIP)Judo | 2007-2010: Gokyu | Sensei: Joe Walker (RIP), Ramon Rivera (RIP), Adrian RiveraIllinois Practical Karate | International Neoclassical Karate Kobudo Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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