Royce Gracie defeated by Judo expert

[Kensai]

three60roundhouse, I have always respected what you say, this is because I listen to what you say.

 

Now, the Gracies dont have my respect. Mainly because of their beating of ALL other styles. I dont know why they had to do this, they abused their popularity simply to get people into thier dojo's.

 

If you have to beat on one of the greatest Martial Artists EVER, O Sensei Ueshiba, simply because of my comments, then this is a measure of BJJ.

 

But if you lose you lose, take the ref's dicision as final. I am sure that if it went in his favour the Japanese fighter would have been more than respectful.

[three60roundhouse]

Ok, some refs suck. This is a fact. Some refs make bad calls. This is why we have play-back in football, and why the judges decisions in figure skating have been overruled. The ref made a bad call. Royce did not lose. End of story. I am hoping for a rematch.

[Kensai]

But if he did, would it matter?

 

It seems that the Gracies have something to prove, we all know they can fight. They should now be focusing on the art they created, refineing it and getting respect from the wider community. Not shooting off at the mouth. Is there anywhere I can get a clip of the fight?

 

take care

[three60roundhouse]

It's on near me tonight on Pay Per View. As far as clips, I have only seen pictures. If Royce had lost fair and square there would have been no problem with it. Look at Frye and his match the same night. The man had never kickboxed in his life, and he accepted a challenge to fight in K-1 Kickboxing! You have to give him respect, and since the rules of the Gracie match favored a judo player, Royce gets my respect as well. I respect Royce very much for still staying in the game and fighting up-and-cominhg stars like Yoshida and superstars like Sak. He obviously is in it for the fights, not like Rickson, who fights has-been's and never-will-be's for millions of dollars. The Gracies do have something to prove, over and over, because more people talk smack about them then they badmouth others. People watch Rickson Gracie: Choke and think they are some NHB know-it-all. The Gracies are the most influential family in recent martial arts history. I would say they definitely have a legacy to uphold. The Gracies have trained many more MMA stars then ever will come out of their family. Everyone seems to overlook that.

[Kensai]

"The Gracies have trained many more MMA stars then ever will come out of their family. Everyone seems to overlook that."

 

Or martial artists dont consider sport fighting important.

 

Take Care

[three60roundhouse]

LOL Kensai, I don't think you or any sane person wants to get in the ring with Royler Gracie.

 

And if you "don't care about sport", why post in a thread about MMA? Are you trying to stir the pot by bashing people who have never done anything to you?

 

"Or matial artists don't care about sport"...I consider myself a martial artist, a very dedicated and honorable one. I care about sport. It is fun to watch, and fun to see what techniques I can use in tournaments and the like. Ok, fine...martial artists (because you can tell what they all think, of course) don't care about sport - I'll talk to you later; I'm off to watch Pride.

[Kensai]

I enjoy watching sport martial arts, I think that point fighting especially in the striking arts is amazing to watch. But do we define great martial artists by sport. Or by what they have done, they have achieved. The Gracies have done a lot for the martial arts world, like bring on UFC and also allowing us to see the noble are of BJJ. But, unlike the past greats, they have tared this achievement, with bad mouthing, and unfortunately, this is only how I will remember them.

 

I cant tell what people think, this is true, but is a martial arts ability to be turned into a sport the ONLY measure of it?

 

Why did I post a thread about MMA? I have'nt this is about the Gracies.

 

"stir the pot by bashing people",

 

I was going to let what you said about O Sensei slide, until you had to bring it back up. Lets be fair now, you cant really compare Ueshiba (Aikido), Kano (Judo), Funakoshi (Shotokan Karate), Ip Man (Wing Chun), General Choi (TKD), Takemutsu (Ninjutsu), Sun Lu Tang (Hsing I, Ba Gua and Tai Chi) and Wong Kiew Kit (Shaolin and Tai Chi) to the Gracies. These men of martial arts, did create or expand some of the most refined systems on the planet (Sorry if I left out some of the other great masters, like the Okinawana ones). Without the bad mouthing, and they tested their arts on the battle field or on the crime riden streets of the past. With no ref. When honour ment everything, so one had to LOSE and win with grace.

 

If I was going to bash BJJ and Gracies, I would be more forth coming, however, I only said that they should come off cloud 9 and join us all down here on earth, were people sometimes lose and sometimes win. I dont want to bash BBJ, like I said earlier techniques wise I dont really know a lot about it, other than I would not want to fight any BJJ practioner, or anyone in fact.

 

But I can agree with you on one thing and that is that I would not want to get in the ring with the Gracies. lol. I would be mashed.

 

Enjoy your pride watching.

 

Take Care

[LeaF]

well said kensai

[three60roundhouse]

Well, I have watched the fight - it was a bad call. It didn't look like Royce was in "game mode" or something because he was getting dominated, but still, there was no way he was being choked tightly. He didn't tap, nor did he pass out.

 

Kensai, why can I not compare Carlos and Helio Gracie to General Choi, or Funakoshi? IMHO, they have done great things for the martial arts world. While judo has pretty much reverted to training 90% stand up (Kano had wanted half stand up half ground grappling), BJJ is one of the only martial arts styles to "take it to the ground" and teach from there. The Gracies made everyone [with a brain] stop and take a look at the way they were teaching their systems, and how they would have to adapt to fight a grappler, or a wrestler, or a shootfighter. That, my friend, is influence, and if you only remember the Gracies for their "badmouthing" (which you are presenting in a totally exaggerated manner), then you need to find a BJJ school and train for a day. Most schools allow that. Then come back and tell us how much you remember BJJ for its artists (I know now you can't even bring yourself to call them that). Royce has been beaten before, he has even forfeited. I don't know what kind of "cloud nine" you think he's on. Would you like to elaborate. Also, you should maybe think about the fact that the Gracies are each seperate people, not some big clump of ideals...each acts his own way.

[Karateka_latino]

I only wanted to say...

 

Nah, Three60Roundhouse is doing it very well..lol