sensei8 Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Hypothetical question(s)...Your instructor has just been convicted in a court of law for committing crimes involving moral turpitude...What do you do?Do you quit his/her school?Do you keep your rank/title?Do you want to keep your rank/title?Do you throw any and all of your rank/title certificates into the trash?Do you lose face in the MA world by association sakes alone?Do you erase your instructors name from your lineage? Edited May 28, 2012 by sensei8 **Proof is on the floor!!!
Evil Dave Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 I think there are a few more questions you need to ask before making your mind up.What was the offense?What are the details surrounding the offense?When did this happen?Did he/she pay their dues to society?Does he/she have any legal restrictions placed upon them?Does the offense actual have any bearing on his/her teaching MA's?There maybe other questions to be asked, I'll let other post them. This is not a cut and dry questions, even hypothetically. Before making the quick and easy decisions, we should step back and take a look at the complete picture.That being said, there are some offenses where I do not want any person of authority to have in their past.
sensei8 Posted May 28, 2012 Author Posted May 28, 2012 NOW...it's YOU that's been convicted in a court of law for committing crimes involving moral turpitude...What should YOUR students do? Same questions from the OP. **Proof is on the floor!!!
sensei8 Posted May 28, 2012 Author Posted May 28, 2012 I think there are a few more questions you need to ask before making your mind up.What was the offense?What are the details surrounding the offense?When did this happen?Did he/she pay their dues to society?Does he/she have any legal restrictions placed upon them?Does the offense actual have any bearing on his/her teaching MA's?There maybe other questions to be asked, I'll let other post them. This is not a cut and dry questions, even hypothetically. Before making the quick and easy decisions, we should step back and take a look at the complete picture.That being said, there are some offenses where I do not want any person of authority to have in their past.Excellent post...quite solid!!To be fair and honest, it might behoove us to know something about moral turpitude...A crime involving moral turpitude is one in which the conduct involved in the crime is contrary to the community's standards of justice, honesty, or good morals. The list of crimes that fall into this broad category is lengthy and include some of the big ones we're all familiar with. Among them are: Arson, Blackmail, Burglary, Embezzlement, False pretenses, Forgery, Fraud, Larceny, Robbery, Abandonment, Adultery, Assault and battery, Bigamy, and Prostitution.To answer your questions honestly I feel that I must preface my answer by saying this, I hate thieves and liars, and in that, I've no ambiguity in having nothing to do with that type of an individual...NONE!!Therefore...What was the offense? I don't care...the crime was committed. What are the details surrounding the offense? I don't care...the crime was committed.When did this happen? Immaterial...the crime happened.Did he/she pay their dues to society? Immaterial...time doesn't erase facts or the crime.Does he/she have any legal restrictions placed upon them? I hope so, and if not, then I'll place personal restrictions upon that individual.Does the offense actual have any bearing on his/her teaching MA's? Proven teaching capabilities? No, experience and knowledge can't be erased and/or denied, but they won't be teaching any of my family nor in my dojo/Hombu.I suppose it's up to ones own scruples. **Proof is on the floor!!!
JusticeZero Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Your instructor has just been convicted in a court of law for committing crimes involving moral turpitude...Sigh, lovely. I have to deal with peoples' flaky morals already all to often.Do you quit his/her school?At this point, I probably have to run things whenever they're out anyways..Do you keep your rank/title?Do you want to keep your rank/title?Oh heck yes. I worked hard for that, and having the highest rank I can is my armor against this sort of thing. The higher up I am, the more freedom I have to operate on my own merits and not be judged by my instructors'.Do you lose face in the MA world by association sakes alone?At this point, the question is academic.Do you erase your instructors name from your lineage?Nah, but I have other names in the same river to shuffle. Edited May 28, 2012 by JusticeZero "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia
JusticeZero Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 Which part was particularly solid in your view? "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia
sensei8 Posted May 28, 2012 Author Posted May 28, 2012 The entire post sir!! **Proof is on the floor!!!
MasterPain Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 Convictions are made by a dozen of your neighbors...Have you SEEN those people?! My fists bleed death. -Akuma
sensei8 Posted May 28, 2012 Author Posted May 28, 2012 Convictions are made by a dozen of your neighbors...Have you SEEN those people?!I'm sorry but I don't understand the question. If someone has been CONVICTED in a court of law, then I don't have to see anything. **Proof is on the floor!!!
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