broomhilda000 Posted June 25, 2003 Posted June 25, 2003 I have been doing judo for awhile now and am a black belt, well when I first started I was already pretty good because of some sense where I could tell where tey balance was and where they were going to be off balance ( a VERY VERY important part of judo, this takes people years to master ) so I would spar or rhondori against high ranked belts up to brown belts and beat them mostly. I could take orange green yellow and like I said most brown belts. It wasn't strength because I was 14 and they were around 18 but it was the key to judo to use the balance I could just give em a quick jerk and stick out my foot and down they went, so my story just says that somepeople are more gifted in an art than others but I'm not saying that you could never learn the balance trait but it may takes years to learn as oppose to me who basically already knew it. So it is the fighter mostly, but without my techniques and my style then I would have furthered my balance trait and learned how to throw people. Be as a tranquil pool of water in the woods. Calm, collected, reflecting on its surface all that is around it. Make your own mind such a quiet mirror reflecting the mind of the opponent. Even as your partner's impulse to attack passes through his mind it should be reflected in you.The safest battle is the one that is never fought
Treebranch Posted June 25, 2003 Posted June 25, 2003 TJS all things are not equal in a fight. I'm not talking about Competitions, real fights. There are just people that are natural fighters, that was what I was trying to say. Let's say 2 people both study under the same teacher, but one of the students has always shown natural talent. No matter what the other student does he will never be as of a fighter as the one with natural talent. They can have the same level of dedication and all that, but some people are just born to fight, and some are not. That's all I was trying to say. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
TJS Posted June 25, 2003 Posted June 25, 2003 what i said still applies. Take two people of equal skill of both guys. Stick them in another stlye and the analogy still holds true.
nathanjusko Posted June 25, 2003 Posted June 25, 2003 I disagree with you Treebranch. Some people have the natural inclination towards being natural fighters and prospering within their art, however, nurture more than often beats nature. Natural talent does what it can, a winner does what he must. Meaning that natural talent is limited to the chance given at birth or childhood, etc. However, a true champion or master will continue to push himself past his natural god-given talents and continue to add upon those with his dedication to their particular art. A person can will himself to do anything if he shows the proper amount of dedication needed to overcome natural obstacles.
Treebranch Posted June 25, 2003 Posted June 25, 2003 nathanjusko said: A person can will himself to do anything if he shows the proper amount of dedication needed to overcome natural obstacles. Yes. If all things being equal, the one with natural abilities will always be better. So what I'm saying is if the person with the natural talent works just as hard as the person with little to no natural talent, the one with talent has an advantage. For example Mozart and Salieri. Mozart was a prodigy and Salieri had passion, but he would never equal Mozarts level of talent. I'm not claiming this as an ABSOLUTE, but in general this is the case. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
TJS Posted June 26, 2003 Posted June 26, 2003 nathanjusko said: A person can will himself to do anything if he shows the proper amount of dedication needed to overcome natural obstacles. Yes. If all things being equal, the one with natural abilities will always be better. So what I'm saying is if the person with the natural talent works just as hard as the person with little to no natural talent, the one with talent has an advantage. For example Mozart and Salieri. Mozart was a prodigy and Salieri had passion, but he would never equal Mozarts level of talent. I'm not claiming this as an ABSOLUTE, but in general this is the case. That has to do with people not stlyes.
Treebranch Posted June 26, 2003 Posted June 26, 2003 Exactly, so just cause you may think you atudy a great style doesn't make you a great fighter. Because using the word Great or Good is subjective, therefore an opinion. So if you are a fighter a true fighter, that's what really counts. If you don't have the fighting spirit I don't care what Style you study it's not going to work very well. I agree some styles of MA have turned into almost pure dance, but a fighter more than likely wants to fight and wouldn't study one of those MA's. But if people like those types of MA's than that's fine. What do I care, I found something I enjoy. Art vs. Art who knows it depends on the fighter and the training, not the Style. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Martial_Artist Posted June 26, 2003 Author Posted June 26, 2003 How is training not related to style? "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination.Imagination is more important than knowledge.Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Einstein
Kirves Posted June 26, 2003 Posted June 26, 2003 Theoretically, you don't have to tie training methods to a style (for example, you can practice kungfu like Muay Thai fighters train, or like Shotokan people train - as sparring, contact, equipment and other such issues are concerned). But in practice, this has pretty much happened. Many arts and styles cling to the training methods that the founding masters used, and some even frown on some other methods used by rival styles.
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