sensei8 Posted April 30, 2012 Author Posted April 30, 2012 Then don't waste your time on them. Obsessing over and making a big production about some deluded fool who will never darken your doorstep again in any case because anyone deluded like that is allergic to the effort that is obvious in the class seems to me to be making time for them.I don't waste my time and I don't obsess over them and I don't make a big production. **Proof is on the floor!!!
JusticeZero Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 ..after only a few mere minutes, you've quickly became suspicious.. Your blood begins to boil...Do you ask this person to leave?Do you escort this person out the front door?Do you decide to teach this person a lesson that that will never be forgotten?The list of things that you'd like to do are racing through your mind, so much so, that you're becoming dizzy... This is "not making a big deal" how? "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia
sensei8 Posted April 30, 2012 Author Posted April 30, 2012 ..after only a few mere minutes, you've quickly became suspicious.. Your blood begins to boil...Do you ask this person to leave?Do you escort this person out the front door?Do you decide to teach this person a lesson that that will never be forgotten?The list of things that you'd like to do are racing through your mind, so much so, that you're becoming dizzy... This is "not making a big deal" how? Nope. This is me just asking questions to fuel our discussion. **Proof is on the floor!!!
still kicking Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 It does not seem all that odd to me, and it would be quite possible that it was not deliberate deception. I have seen plenty of "black belts" who, in the most excellent schools I have had the privelege to train in, would probably only be blue belts (8th kyu) at most. The 9 years seems a bit fishy, but it could be someone who started training 9 years ago and took a bunch of time off in between. I know Sensei8 said it was just a hypothetical situation, but I think it would depend on the person's attitude. If he came in strutting and bragging about being a black belt, and expected to retain it in the new dojo, that would be one thing. On the other hand, if he were asked about previous training and stated honestly that he had a black belt, but unbeknowst to him had been training in a really cruddy school and didn't know any better, that would be another. Either way, if it's a new style and/or he isn't up to par, start him over at white. If he sticks around, he will soon enough realize that his previous training was not up to par. IMO.
shimizu Posted May 26, 2012 Posted May 26, 2012 Your an instructor of the martial arts. You're the owner/chief instructor of a dojo/dojang/etc. Your proud of every platitude. You're hard, but you're fair, sometimes to a fault. Not many things upset you, except one thing...Someone has asked you for your permission to join your school; you've agreed. This same person informs you that they're a black belt with just over 9 years experience in a different style of the martial arts.In this persons very first class, after only a few mere minutes, you've quickly became suspicious; something already looks amiss. You can tell a black belt; after all, you've been an instructor of the martial arts for quite some time and you've several students of your own who have been promoted to black belt yourself.The floor has revealed quite candidly that this person isn't a black belt at all. Your blood begins to boil...What do you do?Do you ask this person to leave?Do you escort this person out the front door?Do you decide to teach this person a lesson that that will never be forgotten?The list of things that you'd like to do are racing through your mind, so much so, that you're becoming dizzy. How dare this person come to your school of the martial arts and blatantly think that you can be so easily fooled.What would you do? I can only imagine your frustration however maybe the school he came from was a bad one with lots of meaningless black belts being given out? Maybe his old school's standards where much lower? OSS! Shimizu Yuuhiro Shodan Shukokai Karate-DoYoon Kwan Ilgop Kup ITF Tae Kwon-Do
shadowspawn Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Eh it doesn't bother me as much as I think it bothers you. Some people say they have experience as an excuse to bypass all the basics and get straight to the "butt whoopin". If you simply drill the basics with them (and be extra hard nosed about proper technique etc. when dealing with these people) they usually leave on their own accord out of what I perceive as boredom/frustration.
sensei8 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Posted June 19, 2012 Eh it doesn't bother me as much as I think it bothers you. Some people say they have experience as an excuse to bypass all the basics and get straight to the "butt whoopin". If you simply drill the basics with them (and be extra hard nosed about proper technique etc. when dealing with these people) they usually leave on their own accord out of what I perceive as boredom/frustration.It doesn't BOTHER me...it was a HYPOTHETICAL for discussion purposes. **Proof is on the floor!!!
shadowspawn Posted June 20, 2012 Posted June 20, 2012 LOL well as to the questions:Do you ask this person to leave? Only if they're being exceedingly disruptive.Do you escort this person out the front door? Not me personally.Do you decide to teach this person a lesson that that will never be forgotten? I probably wouldn't but I think I know a few people in my dojo that would take up that challenge if they were being utterly disrespectful LOL
yamesu Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Call them on it...Tell the class - today, we are going to see two black belts with years of experience sparring.Then proceed to put him up against someone with 9 years experience in your style "We did not inherit this earth from our parents. We are borrowing it from our children."
Dobbersky Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 My lectures at the end of class usually do the trick, about most Kyu grades need to be shown what to do whereas Dan grades already know what to do. I have some senior Brown belts that I always use to test the skills of any black belt "visiting" I wouldn't bat an eyelid at his previous array of experience, he still needs to earn a grade in your school, set the standard, let him wear his black belt, as he will soon realise where he "SHOULD" be with regards to skill-setOSU "Challenge is a Dragon with a Gift in its mouth....Tame the Dragon and the Gift is Yours....." Noela Evans (author)
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