Scruples.

[Groinstrike]

Ok so first off let me apologize for the darkness of this particular topic, but it think it is important to discuss certain matters. I would also like to apologize in advance if this is the wrong forum for such matters, i would argue that matters of revenge and retribution are often central to martial activities.

After a workout last night sensei told us a particularly disturbing story about a man who was sentenced to 7 years in a turkish prison because he was unknowingly used as a drug mule by a good "friend" of his.

Long story short this guy gets our after 3 years, attempts to sue the guy who set him up, wins but isn't able to collect any money from the person.

Masterpain and myself both mentioned how it would be very difficult not to kill or at least maim the person who sent us to hell for three years.

So my question to the forum is this. Not counting self defense situations, to want extent would a person have to wrong you before you would consider bringing upon that person serious violence with malicious intent.

[vantheman]

This is a good topic for discussion, though I personally am having a hard time trying to answer this. I never would want to have to be in such a position, as I sure no will want to be, but I think it would depend on the position, in this given situation, I could very well see myself going after this, but I believe one would need to think hard about how much they wanted revenge. In the end, it may get you back in prison, which was why you attacked the guy in the first place.

I think it is definitely a something worth discussing.

VTM

[MasterPain]

It would take something extreme like this, or maybe harming a close friend or family member.

But then again, that guy who cut me off in traffic the other day....

[Groinstrike]

I agree with masterpain that it would obviously have to be something extreme. It would have to be something that has robbed me of the ability to have a productive, happy life.

[MasterPain]

I agree with masterpain that it would obviously have to be something extreme. It would have to be something that has robbed me of the ability to have a productive, happy life.

That's the thing, if they wrong you personally, but your actions would place you in a worse place than they have, then going all Kill Bill on them doesn't gain you much.

[Groinstrike]

Its hard to say exactly how you would react in a certain situation until it actually happens.

The fact is, we live in a society of order and laws. Take those laws away, like in the ZA for example, we find ourselves in situations where the previous rules dont apply. In the ZA if your are stealing my water, or chickens, or squatting on my land, you die.

[MasterPain]

There are a number of people who should be far away from me in ZA. That changes everything. Enemies are bait.

[Groinstrike]

But in all seriousness, i think every person needs to atleast have an idea where his or her line lies, so as to be careful in not crossing it.

[MasterPain]

But in all seriousness, i think every person needs to atleast have an idea where his or her line lies, so as to be careful in not crossing it.

Very true. But the serious answer to this is very personal, and would require several pages to really go into.

Also, digging the Roland quote.

[sensei8]

So my question to the forum is this. Not counting self defense situations, to want extent would a person have to wrong you before you would consider bringing upon that person serious violence with malicious intent.

That's what the courts are for, imho, and I wouldn't take the law in my hands.