Rediscovering trapping range.

[straightblast]

If your interested in a JKD approach to trapping and clinch work, look up Paul Vunak on youtube.

Regards

[SifuGazz]

I think one should always be trapping. For me trapping range begins when I can touch their hand as extended in fighting position, but they cannot land a punch without stepping in. Tactically this is the best ranges to engage, it allows you to control the situation, move in, trap, and take them out.

Do yourself a favor and learn some tai chi push hands or bagua rou-shou, WC / JKD trapping is good, but has some mechanical failings and other gaps to be filled.

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[sensei8]

I think one should always be trapping. For me trapping range begins when I can touch their hand as extended in fighting position, but they cannot land a punch without stepping in. Tactically this is the best ranges to engage, it allows you to control the situation, move in, trap, and take them out.

Do yourself a favor and learn some tai chi push hands or bagua rou-shou, WC / JKD trapping is good, but has some mechanical failings and other gaps to be filled.

G

Solid post!!

Wooden dummy training...can't live without it, imho.

[barrypardue]

practice makes perfect

[guird]

trapping seems to be the jkd and wing chun way of dealing with clinching range, judging from what you discuss here. It makes sense considering the emphasis on defeating larger attackers in these arts. clinching with someone much larger and stronger than you can end badly.

[sensei8]

trapping seems to be the jkd and wing chun way of dealing with clinching range, judging from what you discuss here. It makes sense considering the emphasis on defeating larger attackers in these arts. clinching with someone much larger and stronger than you can end badly.

Solid post!!

[tallgeese]

Trapping is a fun, and useful tool. However, there is a tendency to "over-trap". In other words, if trained improperly, people can start to trap for trapping sake rather than elicit it's primary purpose:

to open a path to a soft target.

That's the core of what has become an over mystified element. It's simply a way to get an attack to it's intended target. Now what you really have to look at is how are you utilizing trapping training against certain types of attacks. Trapping fluid strikes that give minimal reference points (ie. boxing instead of karate) is really different than trapping someone who rigidly presents a blocking appendage or coverage.

This does not mean it does not work, but work must be done functionally to adapt it. And this work must be pressure tested.

Please note, this is not my original thoughts, but the work of people much better than myself that I've had the opportunity to spend JKD time with. I'm just not that smart.

Lastly, remember that even in classical JKD (and certainly in the concept/ training methods circles to an even greater degree) that the trapping element is a single tool in the arsenal for attacking. In fact, it's often regarded as the most difficult and highest technical aspect of attacking an opponent. Considered an "Attack by Hand/ Foot Immobilization (HIA or FIA)" it's at the highest spot on the hierarchy of such things on a lot of teaching models.

It's not the primary way of creating such things, but an option for the student who has the advanced level of reading body posture and movement AND developed the physical attributes for working them.

So, while a good tool and one I wholeheartedly agree needs to be addressed. It's not the only or even primary mode of presenting attack. The key is in building the proper foundation and then properly addressing the training methods for the tool to use it across a wide range of styles.

[sensei8]

Trapping is a fun, and useful tool. However, there is a tendency to "over-trap". In other words, if trained improperly, people can start to trap for trapping sake rather than elicit it's primary purpose:

to open a path to a soft target.

That's the core of what has become an over mystified element. It's simply a way to get an attack to it's intended target. Now what you really have to look at is how are you utilizing trapping training against certain types of attacks. Trapping fluid strikes that give minimal reference points (ie. boxing instead of karate) is really different than trapping someone who rigidly presents a blocking appendage or coverage.

This does not mean it does not work, but work must be done functionally to adapt it. And this work must be pressure tested.

Please note, this is not my original thoughts, but the work of people much better than myself that I've had the opportunity to spend JKD time with. I'm just not that smart.

Lastly, remember that even in classical JKD (and certainly in the concept/ training methods circles to an even greater degree) that the trapping element is a single tool in the arsenal for attacking. In fact, it's often regarded as the most difficult and highest technical aspect of attacking an opponent. Considered an "Attack by Hand/ Foot Immobilization (HIA or FIA)" it's at the highest spot on the hierarchy of such things on a lot of teaching models.

It's not the primary way of creating such things, but an option for the student who has the advanced level of reading body posture and movement AND developed the physical attributes for working them.

So, while a good tool and one I wholeheartedly agree needs to be addressed. It's not the only or even primary mode of presenting attack. The key is in building the proper foundation and then properly addressing the training methods for the tool to use it across a wide range of styles.

Solid post!!

To trap just to trap is unnecessary across the board. Knowing how to is tantamount. Our brand of Tuite utilizes an enormous amount of trapping, and I do it without thought, but only when it's necessary, not before.

It's all about, imho, effective applied knowledge!!

[bushido_man96]

Yes, very good points. Combat Hapkido has some trapping methods that are applied, but the head of the organization, GM Pelligrini, makes it clear that we inlcude just enough to use as a useful tool, and not "overtrapping," like Alex mentions.