Venezolano Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 I practiced karate about 1 year and a half, and i quit because i consider it's useless, that's my IMHO Valencia - Venezuela.
Kyle-san Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 I practiced karate about 1 year and a half, and i quit because i consider it's useless, that's my IMHO Fair enough, as long as you keep your mind open to the fact that for some people it does work. Maybe you just had a bad club or didn't understand the concepts properly. I'll try to keep in mind that BJJ works against multiple attackers, but so far I haven't seen any people make a strong case.
Venezolano Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 I'll try to keep in mind that BJJ works against multiple attackers, but so far I haven't seen any people make a strong case. Yes, the same happens to me, i haven't see karate really works in a real situation, and that make a strong case, that's why i said that. Valencia - Venezuela.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 I have the utmost respect for the kajukenbo karate system , even though im not too particularly fond of karate "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
dc1 Posted March 21, 2003 Posted March 21, 2003 I think BJJ is great. The traditional bow that is used in many traditional styles is not used in BJJ. you earn the respect of other in the way you parctice the art. dc1
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted March 21, 2003 Posted March 21, 2003 BJJ ROCKS, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
JohnnyS Posted March 24, 2003 Posted March 24, 2003 For anyone to say that their art gives them a great chance in a multiple attacker situation, that person must have been watching to many Jackie Chan movies and have a tenuous grip on reality. If your opponents are committed and work as a team you will have no chance of stopping them taking you to the ground and stomping you. Your only chance is if they fight independently of each other, and aren't really into fighting you. No art can guarantee success in a multiple opponent situation. It's laughable when people suggest that BJJ is good for one-on-one but not for multiple opponents, and use this as a selling point for their own art. Are they really suggesting that although they couldn't beat Royce Gracie in a fight, add in a couple of his brothers and now the practitioner of this "multiple-opponent-ready" art will beat them ? Rorion Gracie used to put up with the same argument from people entering his academy. He used to suggest that these people try out their theories on a bunch of his students and see how well they worked. As far as I know no-one ever took up the offer. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
TJS Posted March 25, 2003 Posted March 25, 2003 JohnyS-Horrible argumentAre they really suggesting that although they couldn't beat Royce Gracie in a fight, add in a couple of his brothers and now the practitioner of this "multiple-opponent-ready" art will beat them now we should assume random attacker are black belts in BJJ that have devoted their life to it? if you get in a fight 98% of the time they wont know BJJ much less be a world champion in it.Rorion Gracie used to put up with the same argument from people entering his academy. He used to suggest that these people try out their theories on a bunch of his students and see how well they worked same as before, your not talking about normal people, your talking about trained fighters. your opponents are committed and work as a team you will have no chance of stopping them taking you to the ground thats assuming people try and immedietly take you down,most of the time they will try and knock you out. dont by to much into your own proganda, bjj has it's strenghts but it IS possible to beat multuple attackers, it HAS been done and Grappling is not the way to do it.
jiu-jitsu fighter Posted March 25, 2003 Posted March 25, 2003 " And grappling is not the way to do it" ARE YOU SERIOUS? you think that using strikes alone you will be able to defeat multiple opponents? what about throws? and redirection techniques? and TJS, johnny said that these mystical martial artists should try out their theories on his STUDENTS!! "When we go to the ground,you are in my world, the ground is the ocean, I am the shark,and most people don't even know how to swim"
JohnnyS Posted March 25, 2003 Posted March 25, 2003 Anyone could beat some guys who don't really want to fight you. If they are committed though, you're in trouble - especially if thye know how to work as a team. A popular method of fighting for skinheads in the 80s used to be to rush the opponent, get them on the ground and put the boot in. Friends of mine from training who worked as bouncers have been able to survive multiple attackers by pulling one into their guard and using the guy as a shield whilst choking him unconscious. They were then saved by other bouncers. It's not an ideal way of dealing with the situation - but if you get rushed by a group of people you had better well know what to do on the ground, cause that's where you'll end up. Personally, I'd rather not have to get my clothes dirty and would prefer to keep the fight standing. But, I've been in enough fights to know that keeping your balance, especially when people are coming at you from different angles, is difficult and lessens the power of your strikes, as well as making it near impossible to stay standing for long. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
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