sensei8 Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Just the other day, my daughter, Krystal, and her boyfriend, Jason, came into the living room where I was watching TV. Out of the blue, Jason makes this compassionate statement..."I know who could beat Bruce Lee!""Who?" I asked."Ip Man, Bruce Lee's teacher." says Jason."What facts do you have to support this belief?" I asked."Ip Man was faster than Bruce Lee. In the movie, you did see the movie, right?" he pauses for a brief moment."Yes, I saw it." I answered."In the movie, Ip Man fought 10 karate men and they were crushed by Ip Man, and those 10 karate guys couldn't even stop him." was Jason's response."I believe that any historical facts covered in that movie might've been embellished at best for any entertainment purposes. Any opinions aren't factual, therefore, unfounded. But, you're entitled to have your opinion(s), and I respect that. Possibly, we'll never know if Ip Man could've or couldn't have beaten Bruce Lee." was my reply.Jason walks away murmuring to himself.So, I would like to ask this...Could Ip Man beat Bruce Lee??My short answer...I don't know. Every instructor of the martial arts wants their student(s) to surpass their own abilities. Any thoughts? **Proof is on the floor!!!
ps1 Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I agree with you. Kinda difficult to say how combat between two people who are currently dead would turn out. Even more so because the only fight footage of Bruce Lee comes from movies where he's doing moves he never really taught or used in his system. Is there any real footage of Ip Man?I think it enough to say they were both phenomenal at what they did. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
MasterPain Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 My bet's on Bruce after Gene Lebell taught him what a grapple is and Dan Inosanto taught him what a stick is. My fists bleed death. -Akuma
datguy Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 No..IP Man was very skilled don't get me wrong but he only knew the style of wing chun whereas Bruce Lee used no style as a style thus making him way more adaptable..sounds like jason needs to step into a dojo and lay off the movies. By the way, did this discussion happen to be a result of Spike's "I Am Bruce Lee" “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”
JusticeZero Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 Bruce also tended to have trouble with the idea that "no style" can often mean "no foundation". By most accounts, he was the sort of student that I wouldn't want to have in a class. "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia
shadowspawn Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 As soon as he said "In the movie, Ip Man fought 10 karate men and they were crushed by Ip Man, and those 10 karate guys couldn't even stop him." I'd have said something like "Well you know who could beat Ip Man? Goku. His power level is over 9000!"
MasterPain Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 As soon as he said "In the movie, Ip Man fought 10 karate men and they were crushed by Ip Man, and those 10 karate guys couldn't even stop him." I'd have said something like "Well you know who could beat Ip Man? Goku. His power level is over 9000!" By the time Freeza was defeated, a power level of 1,000,000 didn't mean much. My fists bleed death. -Akuma
Dobbersky Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 Ip Man, Bruce Lee, what about Sonny Chiba, he's stared in loads of movies and is a Genuine Dan grade in Ninjitsu and Kyokushin. So I would say Sonny Chiba as "The Streetfighter" would beat both Ip Man AND Bruce togetherSeriously, I would go with Ip Man as the Victor namely due to the experience of Street fights and challenges Ip Man had prior to Bruce being born. Bruce was the original MMA fighter but there's a "Jack of all, master of none" tag with that! "Challenge is a Dragon with a Gift in its mouth....Tame the Dragon and the Gift is Yours....." Noela Evans (author)
wagnerk Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 ..."In the movie, Ip Man fought 10 karate men and they were crushed by Ip Man, and those 10 karate guys couldn't even stop him." was Jason's response....That's nothing, . It's in a movie, so it's got to be true Tang Soo Do: 3rd Dan '18Shotokan Karate: 2nd Dan '04
Dobbersky Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 ..."In the movie, Ip Man fought 10 karate men and they were crushed by Ip Man, and those 10 karate guys couldn't even stop him." was Jason's response....That's nothing, . It's in a movie, so it's got to be true Come on, that is nothing, Tony Jaa took out 53 "Bodyguards" and 3 giants in the film "The Protector" "Challenge is a Dragon with a Gift in its mouth....Tame the Dragon and the Gift is Yours....." Noela Evans (author)
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