Dobbersky Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 How many kata in your style and what are they? Do you question its reasoning for being within the syllabus. Do you wish other Kata were within your syllabus? Do you wish that some Kata weren't in your syllabus? And any other questions you may have? I was looking at another thread and was wondering, in the original Classical Karate probably around 4 - 5 kata were practice and these Kata are considered as complete fighting styles not just 'empty' FormsIn my style we have 18 kata. Sometimes I think it is too many. Sometimes I think I'm Ashihara Karate why do I practice Traditional Kata, I don't know I feel it gives my Karate strong roots. A base from where to grow from. Should I give up some of my traditional kata and if I did which ones do I keep?Ashihara "Based" Kata are:Taikyoku Kata 1-3 (my creations)Shoshin Sho & DaiKihon ShoKumite Sho & DaiNage Sho & DaiGoshin DaiJissen DaiTraditional Kata are:Naihanchi KataBassai KataNiseishi KataShichi Hoochi Kata (Chil Sung Ee Ro Hyung)Koryo Kata (WTF Poomsae)Goshin Jutsu Kata (Kodokan Judo) "Challenge is a Dragon with a Gift in its mouth....Tame the Dragon and the Gift is Yours....." Noela Evans (author)
sojobo Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Officially? 9.It has taken me best part of 30 years to see the relevance (to Kihon Kumite)So I don't question it - mind you, never have -just didn't understand maybe, but these things take time.It's all about connecting the dots. That's why I think you can’t do "Wado" kata without practicing / understanding Wado "Kihon Kumite" in tandem.You need an instructor for that – otherwise Wado kata are very easy to do.Sojobo I know violence isn't the answer... I got it wrong on purpose!!!http://www.karatedo.co.jp/wado/w_eng/e_index.htm
RJCKarate Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Matsubayashi-ryu (Shorin-ryu) has 18 kata in the syllabus. They are:Fukyugata Ichi & NiPinan Shodan - GodanNaihanchi Shodan - SandanAnankuTomari WankanTomari RohaiTomari WanshuTomari PassaiGojushihoTomari ChintoChatan yara no KusankuI don't question its reasoning for being within the syllabus, because after continual study (and much more to go) everything becomes a little clearer on why it is there. I sometimes see some other kata and think that they may be useful, but there is something usually contained somewhere that presents the same principles (despite goju type kata). Some people often say that once you have learned Kusanku that there is no need to practice the Pinan kata - and while this may be true, I don't think most people obtain a mastery of Kusanku to a level that should overcome the use of the Pinan kata.Cheers, Reece Cummings Kodokan Cummings Karate Dojo 5th Dan, Matsubayashiryu (Shorinryu) Karatedo Kobujutsu 2nd Dan, Yamaneryu Kobudo
Student4Life Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 In my style there are 12 open hand Kata's. We start off with Tiger Forms taken from an American Kenpo style which are reminiscent of the first 4 Shotokan Kata or the Kicho Hyungs of TSD. Then the 8 traditional IsshinRyu open hand KatasSeisanSeiunchinNaihanchiWansuChintoSanchinKusankuSunsuI some times question the Tiger forms. (I'm also a traditionalist.) I do see the benefit though for beginners. They teach basic stance and basic movement. As we are an "American Karate style based in Isshinryu" I have to except the non traditional aspects. When I open my Dojo in the next few years we will be strict Isshinryu. We teach the Kobudo Katas of Isshinryu at my present dojo as well. Tokomeni No KunUrashiShishi No KunKusan-Ku SaiChantan Yara No Sai Bo Sai/kumite (Bo vs Sai)Bo Bo/kumite (Bo vs Bo)The only ones we don't teach are the Tonfa (tuifa) Kata which I am learning on my own. I studied Tang Soo Do for 12 years before I came to Isshinryu. I must say I love Isshinryu's Katas. they are straight forward and to the point. Little flair and the Bunkai makes sense. I also enjoy the 2 person weapon kumite in Isshinryu. It is a aspect seldom studied in other arts. "The ultimate aim of Karate lies not in victory or defeat, but in the perfection of character of its participants."(Master Gichin Funakoshi)https://www.facebook.com/pages/Okinawan-Karate-Do/320221624676804
Dobie1979 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Pinan Sho DanPinan Ni DanNaihanshi Sho DanNaihanshi Ni DanNaihanshi San DanPinan Yon DanPinan San DanPinan Go DanPassai ShoMatsumura No-PassaiSeisanChintoKusankuGoju ShihoThese are the Katas we have for our stlye up to 3rd Dan. My style is Matsumura Seito Shorin Ryu.
quinteros1963 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 12 and 26. I think 26 is way too many. But consider Shotokan is 2 styles consolidated into one. They are listed below. I currently practice 8 Goju and 8 Shotokan.12 kata of Goju Ryu:gekisai dai ichi *Gekisai dai-ni *Saifa *Seiyunchin *Shisochin *Sanseru *Sepai*Kururunfa SesanSuparunpei Sanchin * Tensho26 Kata of Shotokan:Heian Shodan * Heian Nidan * Heian Sandan * Heian Yondan * Heian Godan *Tekki Shodan * Bassai Dai *Kanku Dai Enpi * Sochin Meikyo Ji'in Gojushiho Dai Jion Jitte Hangetsu Gankaku Tekki Nidan Tekki Sandan Chinte Bassai Sho Kanku Sho Nijushiho Unsu Wankan Gojushiho Sho (Taikyoku shodan and Dai a few others as well) The past is no more; the future is yet to come. Nothing exist except for the here and now. Our grand business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance, but to do what's clearly is clearly at hand...Lets continue to train!
Catfish Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Hang on, let me count.... 15 totalTaigyoku shodan / nidanSaifaBassai DaiSeunchinEnpiThese take you up to 1st Kyu. Then..SanseruSepaiHangetsuKururunfaKanku DaiKenku ShoShisochinSeisanSochinIt feels like a good balance between the disparate influences on the style, and while I absolutely love kata I like the fact that I am continually working on all of them to my next grade level (not the last 4 yet) and there are not too many to "discard" any. You have to be grade-level competent in all for the gradings, I assume that's the case in most styles though.
LittleW Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Also 26, they are listed above.@ Sycron:Do you know how the name Tomari in your Katas ist translated? I think I know that word, but it seems a bit strange for a Kata.
ninjanurse Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Taikyoku ShodanFukyugata NiTaegeuks 1-8Heian GodanKoryoKeumgamChoong Moo 3 & 4Tsu Sho (bo form)Baston Anyo 1-5 (arnis)TaebaekPyongwonSipjinJitae "A Black Belt is only the beginning."Heidi-A student of the artsTae Kwon Do,Shotokan,Ju Jitsu,Modern Arnishttp://the100info.tumblr.com/
RJCKarate Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 @LittleWTomari is a village in Okinawa, Japan. I listed them as 'Tomari kata-name' to differentiate them from the various other versions, like Matsumora no Passai or Matsumora no Rohai etc.As for Tomari being a translation, the only one I can think of is Tomari being the Japanese way of saying Tomai-di.Hope this clears it up for you. Reece Cummings Kodokan Cummings Karate Dojo 5th Dan, Matsubayashiryu (Shorinryu) Karatedo Kobujutsu 2nd Dan, Yamaneryu Kobudo
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