Sasori_Te Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 I would like to know when the chi or ki or bioelectricity, whichever you like, became an evil thing. I mean I believe in God but extremism is not in my nature. GOd gave internal energy to us to be used by our bodies to function properly. Why would it be wrong to strengthen and use this thing that we already have. I have never seen a requirement fo ranyone to become Taoist or Bhuddist or any other religion in order to be able to practice proper breathing and visualization. Not to mention this is very intolerant of other religions. I thought being a Christian was all about love thy neighbor and tolerance. I don't recall seeing anything in the Bible that says unless they don't think like you do. Sorry but I just don't buy into that whole attitude. As for any New Age movement, as the study of chi is several thousand years old, I'm thinking it's not so new. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 I just think it's more marketing tactics. What does Christian MA's even mean. Who cares if it's Christian or Buddist or Atheist as long as it works. Personally I wouldn't want some religious overtones in my MA's teachings, it's just not the place for worship. I'm by no means criticising anyones religion, because I can respect peoples beliefs. The only thing is that naming a MA after a religion just seems questionable to me. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWN Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 aefibird, You are totally right, not all MA classes promote the New Age movement, but some people arn't happy with a plain old self defense and end up going on to "bigger and better" things, but that wasn't my only point. What about the violence? I don't believe that you shouldn't try to defend yourself like some Christians do, (personally, i think they are over the wall, lol. ) I just think alot of the 'moves" in karate are more of an offense than a defense. Another friend of mine does AFK, and I watched her class and I noticed a lot of going BACK UP to the opponet. Shouldn't you just try to run? Well, thats my opinion. KWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWN Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 Whatever happened to the concept of "judge not lest ye also be judged" in Christianity? These sights sound like my Uncel could have written them. The only people worthy of love and respect are those that think exactly like him. It's a shame really. I feel bad for those folks.Well, if you're going to use scripture to prove a point, at least use the whole context. "Judge not, that you be not judged" is followed by "For with what judgement you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." This is followed by the section on a speck in your brother's eye and the log in your own. What the Lord was saying was not that we can't judge (other NT scripture commands us to judge), but rather to judge fairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWN Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 My instructor never discusses religion or anything like that during class, only karate. Just one more thing. My best friend bows to photos of famouse karate masters in her style karate, (chito ryu) and I was just wondering if you did the same thing. A lot of people try to excuse this by saying it's just like shaking hands, but how can you? It is just a photograph of a person who isn't there and can't appreciate your respect. I think bowing to a higher rank is fine but to a photo...that just doesn't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 KWN Seriously, don't sweat the little things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aefibird Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Just one more thing. My best friend bows to photos of famouse karate masters in her style karate, (chito ryu) and I was just wondering if you did the same thing. A lot of people try to excuse this by saying it's just like shaking hands, but how can you? It is just a photograph of a person who isn't there and can't appreciate your respect. I think bowing to a higher rank is fine but to a photo...that just doesn't seem right. In my karate club we hardly ever bow at all anyway, especially not to a photograph. I can't really see anything wrong with bowing to a photograph, though. It's just showing respect, even if the person isn't physically there to 'receive' it. Just because someone can't apprecialte your respect it doesn't mean you should necessarily withhold it. I think that with things like that, though, you should go with what you feel comfortable with. Each person is different and only they really know how they're feeling. If a person has a problem with a certain aspect of martial arts because of their beliefs then they should try and find a system or club that will help them to be a martial artist but without compromising beliefs. "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aefibird Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Just one more thing. My best friend bows to photos of famouse karate masters in her style karate, (chito ryu) and I was just wondering if you did the same thing. A lot of people try to excuse this by saying it's just like shaking hands, but how can you? It is just a photograph of a person who isn't there and can't appreciate your respect. I think bowing to a higher rank is fine but to a photo...that just doesn't seem right. In my karate club we hardly ever bow at all anyway, especially not to a photograph. I can't really see anything wrong with bowing to a photograph, though. It's just showing respect, even if the person isn't physically there to 'receive' it. Just because someone can't apprecialte your respect it doesn't mean you should necessarily withhold it. I think that with things like that, though, you should go with what you feel comfortable with. Each person is different and only they really know how they're feeling. If a person has a problem with a certain aspect of martial arts because of their beliefs then they should try and find a system or club that will help them to be a martial artist but without compromising beliefs. "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aefibird Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Just one more thing. My best friend bows to photos of famouse karate masters in her style karate, (chito ryu) and I was just wondering if you did the same thing. A lot of people try to excuse this by saying it's just like shaking hands, but how can you? It is just a photograph of a person who isn't there and can't appreciate your respect. I think bowing to a higher rank is fine but to a photo...that just doesn't seem right. In my karate club we hardly ever bow at all anyway, especially not to a photograph. I can't really see anything wrong with bowing to a photograph, though. It's just showing respect, even if the person isn't physically there to 'receive' it. Just because someone can't apprecialte your respect it doesn't mean you should necessarily withhold it. I think that with things like that, though, you should go with what you feel comfortable with. Each person is different and only they really know how they're feeling. If a person has a problem with a certain aspect of martial arts because of their beliefs then they should try and find a system or club that will help them to be a martial artist but without compromising beliefs. "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 whoa... the bowing has to be taken in a cultural context. it is about respect, not worship. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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