Rank, Knowledge, and Experience!

[sensei8]

You can have the knowledge without the rank or experience.

I disagree with this statement. How do you have knowlege if you lack experience. Knowlege without experience is more of an idea or theory, rather than something practical like knowlege. I think knowlege is what happens when you combine information with experience.

To answer your question, above in bold type, it's easy to have knowledge without experience. How?

A white belt of 3 months training/learning has knowledge of kihon, but doesn't have the experience to effectively apply it in any given situation that a black belt has.

In that, a shodan has applicable knowledge and/or experience of kihon, but doesn't have the same knowledge and/or experience as a Hachidan has; both, knowledge and experience, are still separate within its totality.

[sensei8]

Expertise, through knowledge and experience, doesn't happen easily. It takes many years of living and working within the martial arts, or any tradition for that fact, to absorb the sets of skills and values on which expertise is built. It takes exposure to the best minds in the martial arts, to observe and reflect on their practices, and to absorb the subtle unconscious behavior patterns and attitudes that characterize an expert in any discipline, including the martial arts.

Knowledge and experience within a practitioner won't always be equal. Knowledge in Tuite can be greater/lessor than that of the experience in Kyusho-jitsu due to the fact that a practitioner might've devoted much more 'time' in everything that is Tuite and not so much 'time' in Kyusho-jitsu.

For those sport-minded practitioners, one could have knowledge and experience in open-hand kata, but very little knowledge and experience in weapons kata. Both, in this example, are knowledgeable and experienced in one but not vice versa.

[Kuma]

To answer your question, above in bold type, it's easy to have knowledge without experience. How?

A white belt of 3 months training/learning has knowledge of kihon, but doesn't have the experience to effectively apply it in any given situation that a black belt has.

In that, a shodan has applicable knowledge and/or experience of kihon, but doesn't have the same knowledge and/or experience as a Hachidan has; both, knowledge and experience, are still separate within its totality.

Well stated, sensei8.

I have the knowledge to perform Sanchin kata.

However, because he has way more experience than I do, I cannot perform my Sanchin kata like Morio Higaonna can perform his Sanchin kata.

[xo-karate]

The question about knowledge and experience is why I do BJJ instead of Ji-jutsu. BJJ is free sparring and you learn what moves really work -> get experience.

Ji-Jutsu (as I know it) is often self defence and movements are choreographed. You get the knowledge and experience of execution ( but not the real reaction or counter attacks.)

Rank is something that is socially formed - formal or informal. It can have something to do with knowledge and experience or with many other things. It's always nice to get acknowledgments like ranks:-)

[Groinstrike]

Knowledge and Experience are untangable assets, Rank is just a man made system to measure things.

As Forrest Morgan says "all systems are artificial"

[Throwdown0850]

Rank has changed a lot over time I guess. It depends on the school or MA. Rank should reflect your knowledge and experience. For example, generally speaking, a bjj brown belt is very experienced and knowledgeable. But, like I said, depends on the school. Some places are pay to play...

[Montana]

To have martial arts knowledge, say from books and videos, but no experience using that knowledge, such as practice time in a dojo, is pretty much useless in application.

[bushido_man96]

You can have the knowledge without the rank or experience.

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I disagree with this statement. How do you have knowlege if you lack experience. Knowlege without experience is more of an idea or theory, rather than something practical like knowlege. I think knowlege is what happens when you combine information with experience.

I see where you are coming from here. However, I think that knowledge is basically things you learn from another source; whether its being taught in school by a teacher (or MA school/MA teacher), reading books, or otherwise researching a topic.

Experience, on the other hand, is gained when one attempts to apply the knowledge one has gained. Experiences can be good or bad, positive or negative, right or wrong. Either way, experienced is gained, adjustments made, and then knowledge is re-applied in the next situation. Then one gains more experience.

[xo-karate]

Ofcourse you can get knowledge from experience - that's called learning by doing:-)

[ninjanurse]

Would you rather learn by experience or wisdom?