honoluludesktop Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) Yes, that is equally true. As society, and technology, change over time, kata bunkai changes. At one time, jujitsu kata had to address fighting in armor against opponents dressed in kind. This is no longer true, and accordingly judo kata has changed. Edited August 3, 2011 by honoluludesktop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ueshirokarate Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Don't know about you guys, but I see Naihanchi at work here: Matsubayashi RyuCMMACC (Certified Mixed Martial Arts Conditioning Coach) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 To save the length of my post, and if I continue, it would be a long post, so let me just say this about the Niahanchi series....OH WHAT A RUSH!! Perhaps when you come down, Bob, you can show me this kata. In TKD, we do a form that seems to have a "back to the wall" theme, called Po Eun. We do it at 2nd degree black, though. I do think Choi might have pulled some of Niahanchi for it.Most likely he did. Also Yoo-Sin seems to copy some of it.Imho, Po Eun is much more closer to Naifanchi than Yoo Sin. **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWx Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 To save the length of my post, and if I continue, it would be a long post, so let me just say this about the Niahanchi series....OH WHAT A RUSH!! Perhaps when you come down, Bob, you can show me this kata. In TKD, we do a form that seems to have a "back to the wall" theme, called Po Eun. We do it at 2nd degree black, though. I do think Choi might have pulled some of Niahanchi for it.Most likely he did. Also Yoo-Sin seems to copy some of it.Imho, Po Eun is much more closer to Naifanchi than Yoo Sin. oh yeah definitely, however, Yoo-sin is one of my current patterns and there are sections of Naihanchi that remind me of it "Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it." ~ Confucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 To save the length of my post, and if I continue, it would be a long post, so let me just say this about the Niahanchi series....OH WHAT A RUSH!! Perhaps when you come down, Bob, you can show me this kata. In TKD, we do a form that seems to have a "back to the wall" theme, called Po Eun. We do it at 2nd degree black, though. I do think Choi might have pulled some of Niahanchi for it.Most likely he did. Also Yoo-Sin seems to copy some of it.Imho, Po Eun is much more closer to Naifanchi than Yoo Sin. oh yeah definitely, however, Yoo-sin is one of my current patterns and there are sections of Naihanchi that remind me of it Yeah, I saw the spots were it resembled Naihanchi. **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Don't know about you guys, but I see Naihanchi at work here: I've been doing Nahachin since 1975 and I sure didn't see it in that demo. There was a sweep..yes, is that what you're referring to? If you don't want to stand behind our troops, please..feel free to stand in front of them.Student since January 1975---4th Dan, retired due to non-martial arts related injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ueshirokarate Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 Don't know about you guys, but I see Naihanchi at work here: I've been doing Nahachin since 1975 and I sure didn't see it in that demo. There was a sweep..yes, is that what you're referring to?Not just the sweep, but also the upper arm movements with that sweep. While we are both Shorin Ryu stylists, our katas may be slightly different. Matsubayashi RyuCMMACC (Certified Mixed Martial Arts Conditioning Coach) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Don't know about you guys, but I see Naihanchi at work here: I've been doing Nahachin since 1975 and I sure didn't see it in that demo. There was a sweep..yes, is that what you're referring to?Not just the sweep, but also the upper arm movements with that sweep. While we are both Shorin Ryu stylists, our katas may be slightly different.Yeah, they must be because there are no punches like that in Nahachin 1-3...the older version anyway. If you don't want to stand behind our troops, please..feel free to stand in front of them.Student since January 1975---4th Dan, retired due to non-martial arts related injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ueshirokarate Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 Don't know about you guys, but I see Naihanchi at work here: I've been doing Nahachin since 1975 and I sure didn't see it in that demo. There was a sweep..yes, is that what you're referring to?Not just the sweep, but also the upper arm movements with that sweep. While we are both Shorin Ryu stylists, our katas may be slightly different.Yeah, they must be because there are no punches like that in Nahachin 1-3...the older version anyway.Its not the punches. It is the sweep and throw. If your kata is anything like the one we do, you should be able to see what I am talking about. Look at his hands as he sweeps. He is holding the uke in the same position you would be in the kata with your two fists in a ready position. Matsubayashi RyuCMMACC (Certified Mixed Martial Arts Conditioning Coach) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Don't know about you guys, but I see Naihanchi at work here: I've been doing Nahachin since 1975 and I sure didn't see it in that demo. There was a sweep..yes, is that what you're referring to?Yeah...I'm with you on that observation; the sweeps were the only spots I saw any comparison at all. **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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