Looking for a Kata...

[razz]

Hello everyone,

New to this forum, I recently started Karate again (used to do Shotokan a few years back) forgot how much i loved this sport. In any case, I saw my sensei do this Kata a few times, it's a very nice one, but I cannot for the life of me find it, i've search all kata names and youtube their videos but still no luck. I"m terrible at remembering names, especially if they aren't English/french. From what I can remember the Kata name sounded something like ... Tassan Bara the spelling is probably WAY off, but sounded like that. The beginning of the Kata started off with the symbol of sun/moon (closed fist into open palm), however I'm not sure if that is standard or just for our class/course. I'm looking for the video of it so i can learn it.

I wish i had more information to give but that's really all I have,

Thanks

[Fudoshin_Ryu]

Sort of sounds like Chatan Yara...I believe some styles say "Chatan Yara Kusanku"....look that up maybe?

[razz]

Looked it up and it's not that one...still searching

[Fudoshin_Ryu]

The sun and moon thing, sounds like something due to localization. I never seen any Shotokan practitioners do it, perhaps they do though. I don't recall seeing Kanazawa Sensei doing it in his videos, I know I have seen Kajukenbo and Kajukenpo teachers do that as well as Hawaiian Kenpo practitioners.

I will use Suparunpei kata as an example. I witnessed a Shotokan man doing suparunpei, same embusen and everything. But they refer to it as Hyaku Hachi Ho going off the Kanji for Suparunpei, and it's meaning of 108 hands. They refer to their form of suparunpei as 108 steps.

So even if a Shotokan man is doing a kata from a different style perhaps they would change the name, is their any way you can contact your Sensei about this?

It might even be a personal or a creative form he did for himself. I have an uechi ryu teacher who made a uechi inspired form, giving it a Japanese name.

[razz]

I will ask him Thursday(next class)

we have different sensie and they all teach us this Kata, well more the application so far then the actually Kata.

I even obtained a DVD with all the katas on it from the class but that one was not. He is in no way a shotokan sensei though, he seems to have knowledge of so much though, weapons, grounds, jujitsu, last week was Brazilian jujitsu, this week weapons and more ground grappling...hard to keep up, but the variety is fun.

anyways, i'll find out and let you guys know Thursday

[Spodo Komodo]

Bassai-Dai perhaps? (also known as Passai)

[DWx]

If you can't find it in normal Karate kata, maybe he borrowed it from a different system and modified it to Karate? A lot of the TKD Chang Hon forms start in that sun/moon position and since large chunks of the Shotokan kata were taken and modified to create the forms, I guess it would be pretty easy to reverse the process and fit them to Shotokan movements. All he'd have to do is rename it or use the Japanese version of the name. Or maybe he made it up himself?

Are there any bits of it you can remember like specific combinations/kicks/other movements that might help people to identify it?

[razz]

It's very possible he changed it or something.

The bits that i do remember, are that at some point one of the movement consist of spinning (360) and extending your leg (can't remember if it's a low kick or more like a trip motion).

and there is definitely a motion (sorry i don't know any names) where both hands extend on each side in a circular motion (application: remove someone's hold on you with both hands) and circle back and clap (application: you would be hitting target on each ear/on the side of the head).

during the kata, he yells out the names, but in english to help us remember, i don't know if they are the direct translation or not, but there is a 'tiger claw'

and another movement with elbows back and forth that he refers to as "mother rocking baby in arms" or is it something about a 'lady crying on the shoulder.'

hope i don't sound (or make him sound) crazy, lol.

wow, so describing stuff is not that easy when you don;t know the names.

[razz]

ok,

So i asked my sensei this evening the name of the kata is: no idea how to spell it, it's two words, and sounds exactly like this:

TIE CA BAK

he said there was 6 version of this and they were all the same just with different blocks, and this one was basically all of them into one.

Ring a bell for anyone?

[Wastelander]

ok,

So i asked my sensei this evening the name of the kata is: no idea how to spell it, it's two words, and sounds exactly like this:

TIE CA BAK

he said there was 6 version of this and they were all the same just with different blocks, and this one was basically all of them into one.

Ring a bell for anyone?

That's pretty much how you pronounce "tai sabaki" but that isn't a kata name--it refers to moving your body in relation to your attacker (typically to avoid being struck).

That said, however, a little Google-fu does reveal that Yasuhiro Konishi created a set of kata called Tai Sabaki Shodan, Nidan and Sandan: http://www.google.com/search?q=tai+sabaki+kata&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a