Which Is More Vital?

[bushido_man96]

I tend to agree that the technique(s) that felled the opponent are the more important ones.

[sensei8]

Great replies thus far...thank you all...keep them coming.

For me, it's the technique(s) that felled my opponent in the first place because it's vital for me to create any margin of seperation between my opponent and myself, no matter how insignigicant it might be. What technique(s) I use after I've felled my opponent is an inconsequential problem compared to the other issue; a threatening opponent. A prostrated opponent, for the time being, is less of a threat.

[JiuJitsuNation]

I think this thread is one dimensional. Professional boxers and Thai kickboxers are at the top of the game for knock outs standing and it often doesn't end that way. You can swing away and still have great difficulty "felling" someone. Many fights are lost because an individual did not follow up properly after the initial knock down. You can put someone down and this is not necessarily an indication of injury or that the aggressor is done. I mean obviously if we put them down cold and this is absolutely clear then kudos. But I know for sure that if I follow up by breaking something crucial or with a solid choke then I know I can brief a freely and start to think about how the past few very brief decisions will affect me in the coming days.

[sensei8]

I think this thread is one dimensional. Professional boxers and Thai kickboxers are at the top of the game for knock outs standing and it often doesn't end that way. You can swing away and still have great difficulty "felling" someone. Many fights are lost because an individual did not follow up properly after the initial knock down. You can put someone down and this is not necessarily an indication of injury or that the aggressor is done. I mean obviously if we put them down cold and this is absolutely clear then kudos. But I know for sure that if I follow up by breaking something crucial or with a solid choke then I know I can brief a freely and start to think about how the past few very brief decisions will affect me in the coming days.

You say one dimensional as though it's a bad thing. How else can a conversation be started unless one asks a question? There, imho, are no such things as absolute, especially when it comes to the martial arts.

Sorry...Bruce Lee quote warning...

A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.~Bruce Lee

[brickshooter]

I prefer the techniques that help the falling. The reason is that it gives me more flexibility. I could run. Or it could buy me time so that I could pick up a chair or a club.

[sensei8]

I'm ALSO "in the favor" of the second choice of the poll as well because IF I've felled my opponent in the first place, AND I've not created the desired seperation/space between myself and my opponent, well, I better know what to do with my felled opponent NEXT to keep the momentum on my side!!

Sometimes, we're darned if we do and we're darned if we don't.

[bushido_man96]

I think this thread is one dimensional. Professional boxers and Thai kickboxers are at the top of the game for knock outs standing and it often doesn't end that way. You can swing away and still have great difficulty "felling" someone. Many fights are lost because an individual did not follow up properly after the initial knock down. You can put someone down and this is not necessarily an indication of injury or that the aggressor is done. I mean obviously if we put them down cold and this is absolutely clear then kudos. But I know for sure that if I follow up by breaking something crucial or with a solid choke then I know I can brief a freely and start to think about how the past few very brief decisions will affect me in the coming days.

This is a good point you bring up, and one I didn't really consider. When I saw the word "fell," I thought "defeat." But, the way you explain your point here makes sense, and I can see how you viewed it differently, too. And I agree that just because someone falls down, the fight isn't necessarily over.

Thanks for elaborating on your viewpoint here. It makes for more interesting conversation.

[JiuJitsuNation]

You say one dimensional as though it's a bad thing. How else can a conversation be started unless one asks a question?

Sorry...Bruce Lee quote warning...

A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.~Bruce Lee

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