What's the difference betweeen these two styles?

[koreantiger81]

pankration and juijitsu????

[Kensai]

Pankration, is an atcient greek MA. Unfortunately all the doumentation of it has really been lost, especially after the invasion by the romans. So there are alot of McDojo's out there talking about Pankration, may of them just mix Mauy Thai and BJJ.

 

Jujutsu (this is the right spelling, the Japanese spelling) is the martial art used by the Samurai. There are many styles of Jujutsu, plus martial arts like Aikido, which are pretty similar to them. Jujutsu, usually uses the Katana, Tanto possible Spear, Jo and bo as weapons.

 

Hope that this helps.

[three60roundhouse]

Pankration was an ancient Olympic event; I have found a short description at http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Olympics/pankration.html:

 

"This event was a grueling combination of boxing and wrestling. Punches were allowed, although the fighters did not wrap their hands with the boxing himantes.

 

Rules outlawed only biting and gouging an opponent's eyes, nose, or mouth with fingernails. Attacks such as kicking an opponent in the belly, which are against the rules in modern sports, were perfectly legal.

 

Like boxing and wrestling, among others, this event had separate divisions for both men and boys."

 

The poet Xenophanes described Pankration: "that new and terrible contest...of all holds"

 

JuJujutsu, or Jujitsu, Or Jiu-Jitsu, they are didfferent spellings and there are many different aspects of the same translation: "gentle art". Japanese Jujutsu is a koryu , or ancient style of Japanese martial art. There were many styles within the style, but most shared similar characteristics and here is a list from http://www.koryubooks.com/library/fabian1.html :

 

"students learn traditional jujutsu primarily by observation and imitation as patterned by the ryu's kata or prearranged forms;

 

most kata emphasize joint-locking techniques, that is threatening a joint's integrity by placing pressure on it in a direction contrary to its normal function, or take-down or throwing techniques, or a combination of take-downs and joint-locks;

 

very occasionally a strike (atemi ) targeted to some particularly vulnerable area will be used to help create kuzushi (break in balance) or otherwise set-up the opponent for a lock, take-down or throw;

 

force essentially never meets force directly, nor should techniques need to be strong-armed to be effective: rather, there is great emphasis placed on flow (which follows from the art's name, in which ju connotes pliability and suppleness) and technical mastery;

 

movements tend to emphasize circularity, and capitalize on an attacker's momentum and openings in order to place a joint in a compromised position or to break balance as preparatory for a take-down or throw;

 

the defender's own body is positioned so as to take optimal advantage of the attacker's weaknesses while simultaneously presenting as few openings or weaknesses of its own; and

 

the common inclusion in the ryu of cognate weapons training (also using kata as a primary instructional method), stemming from the historical development of jujutsu and other koryu when active battles were waged. Weapons might include, for example, the roku shaku bo (long staff), han bo (short staff), katana (long sword), kodachi (short sword), and tanto (knife), some of the main repertoire of traditional weaponry. "

 

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, or Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, is more directly related to judo, though the name has been reverted back to "the gentle art". Judo's idea of randori is enforced very myuch, that is the idea that you can use all of what you learn in a realistic combat situation (live sparring) and therefore can actually see what works for you, as opposed to your entire arsenal being comprised of moves like groin grabs and eye gouges, which realistically you cannot practice on a willing partner! Here is a short description from http://www.armlock.com :

 

"Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is a cutting edge fighting art developed from traditional Jiu-Jitsu by the Gracie family of Brazil. Even though Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu contains standup techniques for winning a fight, it is famous for its devastating ground fighting techniques. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was specifically developed to allow a smaller person defeat a larger person by sophisticated application of leverage and technique. Gaining superior position on your opponent and applying a myriad of chokes, holds, locks and joint manipulations becomes the foundation for this fun martial art. "

 

Hope this helped!

[ZeRo]

[color=green]may i make an observation. you all have translated jujitsu as "the gentle art" but its not it should be "the science of gentleness" and infact judo means "the gentle way". just thought id say that.

 

Kensai also said that in jujutsu they train in weapons. sorry but this is wrong. jujutsu was and is an unarmed art. used by the unarmed samurai agaist armed foe. [/color]

[Kensai]

ok.... please look at Daito Ryu Aikijutsu.

[three60roundhouse]

the common inclusion in the ryu of cognate weapons training (also using kata as a primary instructional method), stemming from the historical development of jujutsu and other koryu when active battles were waged. Weapons might include, for example, the roku shaku bo (long staff), han bo (short staff), katana (long sword), kodachi (short sword), and tanto (knife), some of the main repertoire of traditional weaponry. "

 

If we all just read each others' posts....