Anyone familiar with . . .

[rogersga]

Crane Karate?

Renshi Vellucci?

Shorin-Ryu DVD Home Study?

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,

[Kruczek]

It is my biased opinion that you should avoid home study courses. Unless you are a personal friend of the teacher, I don't recommend trying to do anything through videos. You aren't able to ask questions and learn the same way.

Crane Karate appears to be a catchy URL for his website. Hakatsuru (Crane) is significant in many Karate styles claiming relation to Hohan Soken, like this one. As for Crane Style...his lack of information on where it came from makes me think he created it.

Lawerence Vellucii was a marine officer who studied Karate in Okinawa and wrote a book on it called "Nintai". His marketing of the books comes across like he is claiming to be one of the only Americans to study karate...which is far from the truth. I am sure there is a footnote somewhere I missed.

He is a 6th Dan in Matsumura Shorin Ryu, but does not mention who promoted him to that rank. He is a 6th Dan in White Crane Karate, which again I think he created and promoted himself to that rank. He also created the Kobukan Martial Arts Federation which consists of a handful of black belts on the west coast of the United States. He is the head of it.

His Home Study kit has a few red flags in it. There are no mention of Pinan Sandan (third) or Godan (fifth). These are universal katas in any Shorin-ryu style and either he does not know them or decided they weren't worth teaching to you. His curriculum mirrors a Matsumura Seito school I know of, so I believe it is heavily reliant on his instruction from Chuck Chandler.

He also includes a long list of "Karate" techniques ranging from "Tiger Jaw" to "Panther". Whether the moves are actually karate is impossible for me to tell, but the names he calls them by are most definitely something he came up with to market his stuff to Americans.

He claims to have been taught by two lineages of Karate. If you are interested in learning the same stuff I would consider Kenshinkan Shorin-ryu under Fusei Kise. Their website offers a list of schools in the US. Hanshi Jeff Ader just became one of the heads in the US at 9th Dan. I have trained with him, and we have our fair share of differences, but the Karate is authentic. The other lineage he mentions is under Shuguro Nakazato of the Shorinkan Shorin-ryu system (what I study). Again their websites offer a long list of schools in the US, if you give me a general location I can also pull up some schools in your area.

I my biased speculation is that Larry Vellucci knows some Karate. Enjoys doing it and is looking for a way to make it affordable to teach. His kids games are excellent games...for kids...

If your game plan is to just learn from a video - you might as well just youtube. I even upload how to videos for karate to litter the 1000s of ones already available.

Hope that helped.

[quinteros1963]

I say its better than not training at all!

[Montana]

It is my biased opinion that you should avoid home study courses. Unless you are a personal friend of the teacher, I don't recommend trying to do anything through videos. You aren't able to ask questions and learn the same way.

Crane Karate appears to be a catchy URL for his website. Hakatsuru (Crane) is significant in many Karate styles claiming relation to Hohan Soken, like this one. As for Crane Style...his lack of information on where it came from makes me think he created it.

Lawerence Vellucii was a marine officer who studied Karate in Okinawa and wrote a book on it called "Nintai". His marketing of the books comes across like he is claiming to be one of the only Americans to study karate...which is far from the truth. I am sure there is a footnote somewhere I missed.

He is a 6th Dan in Matsumura Shorin Ryu, but does not mention who promoted him to that rank. He is a 6th Dan in White Crane Karate, which again I think he created and promoted himself to that rank. He also created the Kobukan Martial Arts Federation which consists of a handful of black belts on the west coast of the United States. He is the head of it.

His Home Study kit has a few red flags in it. There are no mention of Pinan Sandan (third) or Godan (fifth). These are universal katas in any Shorin-ryu style and either he does not know them or decided they weren't worth teaching to you. His curriculum mirrors a Matsumura Seito school I know of, so I believe it is heavily reliant on his instruction from Chuck Chandler.

He also includes a long list of "Karate" techniques ranging from "Tiger Jaw" to "Panther". Whether the moves are actually karate is impossible for me to tell, but the names he calls them by are most definitely something he came up with to market his stuff to Americans.

He claims to have been taught by two lineages of Karate. If you are interested in learning the same stuff I would consider Kenshinkan Shorin-ryu under Fusei Kise. Their website offers a list of schools in the US. Hanshi Jeff Ader just became one of the heads in the US at 9th Dan. I have trained with him, and we have our fair share of differences, but the Karate is authentic. The other lineage he mentions is under Shuguro Nakazato of the Shorinkan Shorin-ryu system (what I study). Again their websites offer a long list of schools in the US, if you give me a general location I can also pull up some schools in your area.

I my biased speculation is that Larry Vellucci knows some Karate. Enjoys doing it and is looking for a way to make it affordable to teach. His kids games are excellent games...for kids...

If your game plan is to just learn from a video - you might as well just youtube. I even upload how to videos for karate to litter the 1000s of ones already available.

Hope that helped.

Well said Kruczek!

[Kruczek]

@ Quinteros1963 - I agree video training is better than nothing. I would recommend FREE video training over $200 video training though. There is an individual on youtube that goes by hempev. Has the most amazing collection of Matayoshi Kobudo training - all free. Whenever I need a refresher on Kobudo Kata, I just go there.

@ Montana - Thank you. I try .

[Ti]

It is my biased opinion that you should avoid home study courses. Unless you are a personal friend of the teacher, I don't recommend trying to do anything through videos. You aren't able to ask questions and learn the same way.

Crane Karate appears to be a catchy URL for his website. Hakatsuru (Crane) is significant in many Karate styles claiming relation to Hohan Soken, like this one. As for Crane Style...his lack of information on where it came from makes me think he created it.

Lawerence Vellucii was a marine officer who studied Karate in Okinawa and wrote a book on it called "Nintai". His marketing of the books comes across like he is claiming to be one of the only Americans to study karate...which is far from the truth. I am sure there is a footnote somewhere I missed.

He is a 6th Dan in Matsumura Shorin Ryu, but does not mention who promoted him to that rank. He is a 6th Dan in White Crane Karate, which again I think he created and promoted himself to that rank. He also created the Kobukan Martial Arts Federation which consists of a handful of black belts on the west coast of the United States. He is the head of it.

His Home Study kit has a few red flags in it. There are no mention of Pinan Sandan (third) or Godan (fifth). These are universal katas in any Shorin-ryu style and either he does not know them or decided they weren't worth teaching to you. His curriculum mirrors a Matsumura Seito school I know of, so I believe it is heavily reliant on his instruction from Chuck Chandler.

He also includes a long list of "Karate" techniques ranging from "Tiger Jaw" to "Panther". Whether the moves are actually karate is impossible for me to tell, but the names he calls them by are most definitely something he came up with to market his stuff to Americans.

He claims to have been taught by two lineages of Karate. If you are interested in learning the same stuff I would consider Kenshinkan Shorin-ryu under Fusei Kise. Their website offers a list of schools in the US. Hanshi Jeff Ader just became one of the heads in the US at 9th Dan. I have trained with him, and we have our fair share of differences, but the Karate is authentic. The other lineage he mentions is under Shuguro Nakazato of the Shorinkan Shorin-ryu system (what I study). Again their websites offer a long list of schools in the US, if you give me a general location I can also pull up some schools in your area.

I my biased speculation is that Larry Vellucci knows some Karate. Enjoys doing it and is looking for a way to make it affordable to teach. His kids games are excellent games...for kids...

If your game plan is to just learn from a video - you might as well just youtube. I even upload how to videos for karate to litter the 1000s of ones already available.

Hope that helped.

Worked for Mas Oyama

[kansascityshuffle]

It is my biased opinion that you should avoid home study courses. Unless you are a personal friend of the teacher, I don't recommend trying to do anything through videos. You aren't able to ask questions and learn the same way.

Crane Karate appears to be a catchy URL for his website. Hakatsuru (Crane) is significant in many Karate styles claiming relation to Hohan Soken, like this one. As for Crane Style...his lack of information on where it came from makes me think he created it.

Lawerence Vellucii was a marine officer who studied Karate in Okinawa and wrote a book on it called "Nintai". His marketing of the books comes across like he is claiming to be one of the only Americans to study karate...which is far from the truth. I am sure there is a footnote somewhere I missed.

He is a 6th Dan in Matsumura Shorin Ryu, but does not mention who promoted him to that rank. He is a 6th Dan in White Crane Karate, which again I think he created and promoted himself to that rank. He also created the Kobukan Martial Arts Federation which consists of a handful of black belts on the west coast of the United States. He is the head of it.

His Home Study kit has a few red flags in it. There are no mention of Pinan Sandan (third) or Godan (fifth). These are universal katas in any Shorin-ryu style and either he does not know them or decided they weren't worth teaching to you. His curriculum mirrors a Matsumura Seito school I know of, so I believe it is heavily reliant on his instruction from Chuck Chandler.

He also includes a long list of "Karate" techniques ranging from "Tiger Jaw" to "Panther". Whether the moves are actually karate is impossible for me to tell, but the names he calls them by are most definitely something he came up with to market his stuff to Americans.

He claims to have been taught by two lineages of Karate. If you are interested in learning the same stuff I would consider Kenshinkan Shorin-ryu under Fusei Kise. Their website offers a list of schools in the US. Hanshi Jeff Ader just became one of the heads in the US at 9th Dan. I have trained with him, and we have our fair share of differences, but the Karate is authentic. The other lineage he mentions is under Shuguro Nakazato of the Shorinkan Shorin-ryu system (what I study). Again their websites offer a long list of schools in the US, if you give me a general location I can also pull up some schools in your area.

I my biased speculation is that Larry Vellucci knows some Karate. Enjoys doing it and is looking for a way to make it affordable to teach. His kids games are excellent games...for kids...

If your game plan is to just learn from a video - you might as well just youtube. I even upload how to videos for karate to litter the 1000s of ones already available.

Hope that helped.

Worked for Mas Oyama

What worked for Mas Oyama? Mas Oyama held verifiable rank in Judo, Shotokan, and Goju ryu so I fail to see the similarity between the two men.

Maybe I'm missing something in your comment but if not I think you need to rethink what you posted.

[Nevinyrral]

I always help myself learn katas from youtube. Ofcourse I learn them in karate class but I have bad memory so If it was not for youtube I would not learn them. So I'd say you shouldnt buy something that you can find for free on the internet.

BTw Kruczek, where did you got that nick from? It souds polish.

[Ti]

It is my biased opinion that you should avoid home study courses. Unless you are a personal friend of the teacher, I don't recommend trying to do anything through videos. You aren't able to ask questions and learn the same way.

Crane Karate appears to be a catchy URL for his website. Hakatsuru (Crane) is significant in many Karate styles claiming relation to Hohan Soken, like this one. As for Crane Style...his lack of information on where it came from makes me think he created it.

Lawerence Vellucii was a marine officer who studied Karate in Okinawa and wrote a book on it called "Nintai". His marketing of the books comes across like he is claiming to be one of the only Americans to study karate...which is far from the truth. I am sure there is a footnote somewhere I missed.

He is a 6th Dan in Matsumura Shorin Ryu, but does not mention who promoted him to that rank. He is a 6th Dan in White Crane Karate, which again I think he created and promoted himself to that rank. He also created the Kobukan Martial Arts Federation which consists of a handful of black belts on the west coast of the United States. He is the head of it.

His Home Study kit has a few red flags in it. There are no mention of Pinan Sandan (third) or Godan (fifth). These are universal katas in any Shorin-ryu style and either he does not know them or decided they weren't worth teaching to you. His curriculum mirrors a Matsumura Seito school I know of, so I believe it is heavily reliant on his instruction from Chuck Chandler.

He also includes a long list of "Karate" techniques ranging from "Tiger Jaw" to "Panther". Whether the moves are actually karate is impossible for me to tell, but the names he calls them by are most definitely something he came up with to market his stuff to Americans.

He claims to have been taught by two lineages of Karate. If you are interested in learning the same stuff I would consider Kenshinkan Shorin-ryu under Fusei Kise. Their website offers a list of schools in the US. Hanshi Jeff Ader just became one of the heads in the US at 9th Dan. I have trained with him, and we have our fair share of differences, but the Karate is authentic. The other lineage he mentions is under Shuguro Nakazato of the Shorinkan Shorin-ryu system (what I study). Again their websites offer a long list of schools in the US, if you give me a general location I can also pull up some schools in your area.

I my biased speculation is that Larry Vellucci knows some Karate. Enjoys doing it and is looking for a way to make it affordable to teach. His kids games are excellent games...for kids...

If your game plan is to just learn from a video - you might as well just youtube. I even upload how to videos for karate to litter the 1000s of ones already available.

Hope that helped.

Worked for Mas Oyama

What worked for Mas Oyama? Mas Oyama held verifiable rank in Judo, Shotokan, and Goju ryu so I fail to see the similarity between the two men.

Maybe I'm missing something in your comment but if not I think you need to rethink what you posted.

None of us here really know the original poster, each individual has their own level of talent. A legend like Mas Oyama is certainly not a dime a dozen, legends are hard to come by. But they inspire others to aspire to their achievements. It is the ethic, do what you can, but try for more.

Self training is a very important road of self discovery, even if you get everything all wrong on your own. Eventually you will come to the correct answers either on your own or by other resources such as members on here, local dojo etc...

Those with existing backgrounds in the arts have a bit of an advantage, each art, style etc, is different, different mechanics. These things take time to discover. I encourage those who have the discipline to self train and I applaud them. Most people rely on a teacher to give them all the answers. At the end of the day the person who spent the extra time self training will realize much more than the person who took the free answers.

The ability to learn and improve will come in time to all if they are disciplined and dedicated, whether training on their own or with instruction.

Certainly it will be tougher for him if he has no background, but repetition of Kihon can do wonders. After 1,000 reverse punches he might get in one good one and from there he can build off it to make it more consistent.

I would not discourage anyone wanting to learn, if they lack the resources to an instructor, then they have to work with what they have. That is admirable. Be it books or videos, his heart is in the right place and that counts alot.

[Kruczek]

BTw Kruczek, where did you got that nick from? It souds polish.

It is my last name lol. Polish decent, but that is about the only thing Polish about me - my name. I was told it means small raven and was originally used by shorter poles with black hair (looking at my Grandpa...sounds about right).